2017 comp prep cycle thoughts?

[Randy91]

Stats:
age : 25
weight: 91kg/ 200lb
height: 5'11''

cycle history

1st cycle - 12 weeks
week 1-12 600mg test e/week

2nd cycle - 8 weeks (first comp on cycle)
week 1-4 test e 500mg/week
week 5-8 test p 100mg eod
week 5-8 50mg anavar ed

3rd cycle - 12weeks
week 1-4 40mg dbol ed
week 1-12 500mg test e/week

anyway, i was looking at competing early next year. was thinking of running another injectable alongside test. maybe tren a/mast p? or both?
i was thinking of running a longer cycle maybe like 16 weeks.

like:
week 1-4 test
week 5-16 test + tren/mast?
week 10-16 anavar

or
week 1-8 test
week 9-16 test + tren/mast?( add in test/mast closer to comp to harden)
week 10 -16 anavar

i will also be running clen closer to comp.

any feedback is appreciated.

thanks
- Randy.

[numbere]

Imo you should use nandrolone before tren.

Cycling isn't the same after you use tren.

There's times I wish that I never touched the stuff.

Nandrolone and mast give you an awesome look if your bf is low enough.

[Randy91]

Imo you should use nandrolone before tren.

Cycling isn't the same after you use tren.

There's times I wish that I never touched the stuff.

Nandrolone and mast give you an awesome look if your bf is low enough.

would nandrolone cause me to hold any water? will it be okay to run though till show day?

anyway i decided to just go with 12 week cycle. keep it simple.

week 1-12 test p 100mg eod
week 1-12 mast p 100mg eod
week 1-12 NPP 100mg eod
week 7-12 anavar 50mg ed

is that too much? should i drop something?
maybe just run test mast and avar?

[4linked]

would nandrolone cause me to hold any water? will it be okay to run though till show day?

anyway i decided to just go with 12 week cycle. keep it simple.

week 1-12 test p 100mg eod
week 1-12 mast p 100mg eod
week 1-12 NPP 100mg eod
week 7-12 anavar 50mg ed

is that too much? should i drop something?
maybe just run test mast and avar?

All depends on your history I personally hold a ton of water on nandralone but if you start upping your ai "more than you need too" it might come off

[4linked]

All depends on your history I personally hold a ton of water on nandralone but if you start upping your ai "more than you need too" it might come off

I wouldn't run it personally I would run tren but u have no experience with it so I wouldn't try it going into a competition having never done it before. Stick to what you're comfortable with

[numbere]

would nandrolone cause me to hold any water? will it be okay to run though till show day?

anyway i decided to just go with 12 week cycle. keep it simple.

week 1-12 test p 100mg eod
week 1-12 mast p 100mg eod
week 1-12 NPP 100mg eod
week 7-12 anavar 50mg ed

is that too much? should i drop something?
maybe just run test mast and avar?

Only about 20% of nandrolone converts to estrogen and mast is a muscle conditioner that gives a harder appearance.

So if you're holding water on that cycle then your diet needs attention.

I've personally run NPP/mast p and it gives me a similar look to tren but I'm able to make more gains.

You're going to to be using short esters for 3 months.

I would think this would give you enough time to tweak your doses and use them up to the show.

Maybe you should consider dropping your test during the last week for a dryer appearance.

I think those doses are a good starting point if you manipulate them a bit to find your sweet spot.

I recently ran a similar cycle and like my doses at test p 100mg eod, mast p 200mg eod, and NPP 150mg eod.

If you were going to drop anything I'd say delete the var, but you can have it on hand and see if you want to use it after the first 6 weeks.

You have experience with var so I guess you know how it effects your body but I wouldn't use it for less than 8 weeks in order to get the full effect.

If you haven't already maybe you should post in the competition forum.

MJ posts their often and I'm sure he has more experience with show cycles.

[Paul Mr Universe]

First course run ano mass 400 mg. 3 ml weekly with dbol or b if prefers test run sustanon 750 mg weekly, dbol 50 mg daily
2 nd course. Simialar to first but swap dbol for anavar,
3rd course. Test cyp 500-750 mg weekly, 400 mg master on weekly , 50 mg stanozol daily

Pre contest. Rip ex 225 mg. tren acetate ,test prop , master on combo 3-4 ml weekly,
Anavar 50 mg daily

Last 6 weeks , premabol. Or master on. 600 mg weekly
I like mc2 methyltrienolone half ml daily last 3 weeks
Anavar 50 mg daily

This a lesser version of my personal pre contest stack , gh if budget allows will add the cherry to the cake

[ScotchGuard02]

would nandrolone cause me to hold any water? will it be okay to run though till show day? NPP doesn't hold as much water as Deca. I like NPP, it's smooth and give great results. All steroids will hold water as it require water to break down the ester and release the compound into the body. I end the cycle a couple of weeks before the show and use food to control the water.

anyway i decided to just go with 12 week cycle. keep it simple. 12 weeks is a little long to run a short ester cycle. I would stick with an 8 week cycle.

week 1-12 test p 100mg eod
week 1-12 mast p 100mg eod
week 1-12 NPP 100mg eod
week 7-12 anavar 50mg ed

is that too much? should i drop something?
maybe just run test mast and avar?

If you're looking to put on some size, run the Test/NPP. If you're already lean and looking to get leaner, run the Test/Mast. You can run the Var with either cycle for 4 to 6 weeks. If you're eating a clean diet, you'll get lean and hard.

[Vash the Stampede]

First course run ano mass 400 mg. 3 ml weekly with dbol or b if prefers test run sustanon 750 mg weekly, dbol 50 mg daily
2 nd course. Simialar to first but swap dbol for anavar,
3rd course. Test cyp 500-750 mg weekly, 400 mg master on weekly , 50 mg stanozol daily

Pre contest. Rip ex 225 mg. tren acetate ,test prop , master on combo 3-4 ml weekly,
Anavar 50 mg daily

Last 6 weeks , premabol. Or master on. 600 mg weekly
I like mc2 methyltrienolone half ml daily last 3 weeks
Anavar 50 mg daily

This a lesser version of my personal pre contest stack , gh if budget allows will add the cherry to the cake

Spewing out random numbers just like verbal diahorrea. As if any of your previous cycles could be replicated by another person. Everyone responds DIFFERENTLY!

Stop making ridiculous recommendations based on your years of abusing AAS.

[charger69]

You didn't really say how long you have. You only want to add one new compound. Do you have time for a quick bulk, time off, and then cut?
Trying to fit in the cycles can be challenging. Last year I had to do 8 weeks of bulk followed immediately by a cut of 6 weeks. I used mast for the first time and it did its job while on decca. This is a very short cycle for decca which is not optimal, but I believe that i did benefit based on the time that I had. You need bloodwork in any event. You need to constantly be adoptive to the situations that are handed to you.
I like Scotch's recommendation because it is simple but effective. Once again, it all depends on the time

[DHew]

What is your current bf% ?

What is your goal show weight / bf percentage? This will help dictate your exact cycle. What federation are you in? These often dictate your weights for you, since some have only a couple divisions and others have 6 +.

[NACH3]

Spewing out random numbers just like verbal diahorrea. As if any of your previous cycles could be replicated by another person. Everyone responds DIFFERENTLY!

Stop making ridiculous recommendations based on your years of abusing AAS.

Nice post Vash!

[AR's King Silabolin]

Imo you should use nandrolone before tren.

Cycling isn't the same after you use tren.

Why u say that? Test and bol/drol make u fly just as high

[numbere]

Why u say that? Test and bol/drol make u fly just as high

Nandrolone is better for a novice because it has a low amount of side effects and is effective on a bulk or cut.

I don't understand why you're comparing tren to dbol/drol.

[AR's King Silabolin]

Nandrolone is better for a novice because it has a low amount of side effects and is effective on a bulk or cut.

I don't understand why you're comparing tren to dbol/drol.

Cause you made it sound like everything is weaker and all other drugs will make u dissapointed when u have tried tren.
But hey,..not that important. Respect op. Lets not go back

[numbere]

Cause you made it sound like everything is weaker and all other drugs will make u dissapointed when u have tried tren.
But hey,..not that important. Respect op. Lets not go back

I hate to argue in another's thread and change the discussion but I don't see how you can compare tren to dbol/drol.

They're two different classes of drugs that give totally different effects.

Dbol/drol are really fun to use but they aren't going to build much tissue if any.

Imo once you use tren it's difficult to come off and most other compounds seem subpar in comparison.

[AR's King Silabolin]

I hate to argue in another's thread and change the discussion but I don't see how you can compare tren to dbol/drol.

They're two different classes of drugs that give totally different effects.

Dbol/drol are really fun to use but they aren't going to build much tissue if any.

Imo once you use tren it's difficult to come off and most other compounds seem subpar in comparison.

The weigth will move faster on anadrol

[Vash the Stampede]

I hate to argue in another's thread and change the discussion but I don't see how you can compare tren to dbol/drol.

They're two different classes of drugs that give totally different effects.

Dbol/drol are really fun to use but they aren't going to build much tissue if any.

Imo once you use tren it's difficult to come off and most other compounds seem subpar in comparison.

Totally agreed with you Numbere. Personal experience has taught me exactly what you have just said.

[numbere]

The weigth will move faster on anadrol

Yes, it's a great drug for powerlifters.

Totally agreed with you Numbere. Personal experience has taught me exactly what you have just said.

Not trying to say they aren't good drugs.

More like there's a correct time and a place or everything in life.

[Cuz]

Tren is unbelievable. Ive only tried it once, i knew it was like nothing else ive tried. Uncomparable to anything else. Only thing that comes close for me is test i love test

[numbere]

Tren is unbelievable. Ive only tried it once, i knew it was like nothing else ive tried. Uncomparable to anything else. Only thing that comes close for me is test i love test

Sounds like my first tren experience.

I always wondered why someone would choose to cruise over PCT.

Then I tried tren...

[NACH3]

Sounds like my first tren experience.

I always wondered why someone would choose to cruise over PCT.

Then I tried tren...

Haha and they're you have a dilemma seriously tho - i love Nandrolone... But you can't compare the two imho...

[numbere]

Haha and they're you have a dilemma seriously tho - i love Nandrolone... But you can't compare the two imho...

No you can't compare the two, but you can stack them!

[DocToxin8]

anadrol and dbol arent good mass builders?
Well, everyone is different I guess.
As long as you don't combine anadrol with a lot of test it doesn't cause much bloat either, and it really fills you out.
I don't get much bloat on dbol either.
If I run dbol without test (a totally stupid idea, but had to at one point due to a blood test) I got ripped as hell, and I didn't use any AI either.

However, stacking an oral c17 alkylated steroid with injectables always provides a very good synergy IMO.

Tren is ofcourse a favorite of mine, so I'm not disputing its power, and it's perfect to stack with nearly everything.

[NACH3]

No you can't compare the two, but you can stack them!

Yes yes yes!

[numbere]

anadrol and dbol arent good mass builders?
Well, everyone is different I guess.
As long as you don't combine anadrol with a lot of test it doesn't cause much bloat either, and it really fills you out.
I don't get much bloat on dbol either.
If I run dbol without test (a totally stupid idea, but had to at one point due to a blood test) I got ripped as hell, and I didn't use any AI either.

However, stacking an oral c17 alkylated steroid with injectables always provides a very good synergy IMO.

Tren is ofcourse a favorite of mine, so I'm not disputing its power, and it's perfect to stack with nearly everything.

What Vash and I were referring to was lean tissue gains and not general mass gains.

[DocToxin8]

I did understand that Numbers, that you were talkin lean tissue not weight increase which can be massive with the bloat that can follow on dbol or drol.
And while it's always difficult to be certain of what you've actually gained when using a "wet" compound, I still feel that for me, dbol especially cause mass gains quite well.
Now, it has to be said that I most often combine both Tren and drol
Or dbol, but any stack where injectables are combined with orals like dbol, drol or tbol seems to me to (potentially) be very effective at giving lean gains.

But i see your point , Tren is a great builder, and it's all lean mass.
With dbol or drol it's harder to see what you're actually gaining.

[hammerheart]

Sounds like my first tren experience.

I always wondered why someone would choose to cruise over PCT.

Then I tried tren...

What about cruising on tren? Even low dose.

[numbere]

What about cruising on tren? Even low dose.

I know you've read the study on rats given low dose test/tren who experienced improved TG, risk of diabetes and heart attack.

So theoretically it should be an option.

One should understand that a steroids anabolic rating is not a sufficient way to judge the androgenic effect of that particular compound. In order to properly hypothesize potential negative side effects both dose and compound need be taken into account. e.g tren shouldn't effect hairline or prostate in low doses because it's unaffected by the 5AR enzyme. Issues only seem to arise in these areas when tren is taken in high doses.

Prolonged low dose test/tren is something that I've considered and will likely try in the future when I'm more financially stable and can afford detailed monthly bw.

[hammerheart]

I know you've read the study on rats given low dose test/tren who experienced improved TG, risk of diabetes and heart attack.

So theoretically it should be an option.

One should understand that a steroids anabolic rating is not a sufficient way to judge the anabolic effect of that particular compound. In order to properly hypothesize potential negative side effects both dose and compound need be taken into account. e.g tren shouldn't effect hairline or prostate in low doses because it's unaffected by the 5AR enzyme. Issues only seem to arise in these areas when tren is taken in high doses.

Prolonged low dose test/tren is something that I've considered and will likely try in the future when I'm more financially stable and can afford detailed monthly bw.

Yes I'm having an hard time with my TRT and I'm considering other options, but will be always running some Test, for physiological function. I'm rather interested in tren's androgenic potential than anabolic. I'm talking about very low doses, eg. 20mg Tren E two times per week.

What would your monthly bw comprise? CBC, PRL, liver, kidney function?

I already have issues with high PRL (54 ng/ml) and soon will get on caber too, but really I don't fancy to stay on it for prolonged time.

[numbere]

Yes I'm having an hard time with my TRT and I'm considering other options, but will be always running some Test, for physiological function. I'm rather interested in tren's androgenic potential than anabolic. I'm talking about very low doses, eg. 20mg Tren E two times per week.

What would your monthly bw comprise? CBC, PRL, liver, kidney function?

I already have issues with high PRL (54 ng/ml) and soon will get on caber too, but really I don't fancy to stay on it for prolonged time.

If you are having a difficult time with a regular TRT protocol and also have PRL issues then I would be hesitant to try low dose tren.

In the study alluded to earlier I believe the test subjects were given equal parts test and tren at 0.2mg/kg*D.

If I were to do this I'd like to have a complete hormone panel plus PRL done once a month.

I think it would also be important to include additional blood tests that are better indicators of a future cardiac event, more so than a standard cholesterol screening.

Elevated cholesterol isn't necessarily bad, rather it depends on the size of the molecules present.

A VAP test examines the size of the cholesterol particulates.

Large particulates are good, it's the small particulates that damage arteries and allow calcium deposits (plaque) to form.

A CRP test identifies chronic inflammation.

Calcium deposits and inflammation are two common indicators of early cardiovascular disease.

Along with a VAP and CRP test I'd also like to get a coronary calcium test, as this will identify calcium deposits or plaque in the arteries.

This may seem overkill I just don't want to put myself in a position when develop symptoms that need to be managed by taking another drug.

[hammerheart]

If you are having a difficult time with a regular TRT protocol and also have PRL issues then I would be hesitant to try low dose tren.

Why not? My body seems not to respond to test at all. I have been more than two years on TRT and at this point I feel compelled to try alternative routes. At least tren doesn't aromatize and I'm having and hard time managing E2. I don't want to deploy AI as I don't feel good on them either and LDL-C went from 170 to 80 when I got off them, lol.

My PRL seems to come from TRT; it was about normal before. However it seems odd that the estradiol from aromatization it's the sole culprit, but could be some kind of individual peculiarity; hit my thread in the TRT section if you got the time.

Of course I need to manage PRL first as adding a progestogen completes the perfect recipe for gyno, but caber should account for that.


You sure about C-reactive protein? To my understanding it's an index of acute inflammatory responses, while ESR is more associated with chronic inflammation. Mine is below normal, lol.