High blood pressure on cycle

**Mma67** · 09-12-2016, 10:36 PM

So the inevitable has happened, I have high blood pressure. It comes as no surprise since off cycle my bp is borderline ~140/90

Today I checked it and I'm at 154/115.

This makes me a little nervous. I already take propranolol for bp but I've been trying to avoid taking it since I hear that it could interfere with pct meds and I don't want a reflex reaction switching off cold turkey. Furthermore, I don't believe that the propranolol has done anything to help me while on cycle, it barely helps off cycle. I tried the diuretic meds before and they made me race like a piss horse and my legs cramped like hell, so I stopped taking them.

My question is for those with personal experience in this area. What have you done to mitigate the effects of high bp? If you saw a doc and decided to go on diuretic meds, do you tell them you're "on," or do you just keep that to yourself? It shouldn't matter but I don't want my regular doctor to know too much, however with the weight gain it might not be possible to keep this from them.

Also, I've had some sexual side effects... Get hard as rock, start going and then just kinda slowly shrivel back down after 5 or 10 mins. I believe this has to do with high bp. I've taken cialis which works like a charm but I don't have a script. thinking of asking doc for one since it could help high bp and would cost significantly less than most sources I find.

Note: I am taking an ai, arimidex - .25mg eod. Test prop 150mg eod and about to throw in some winny to clean up my gains and finish off. My cycle is almost done and I'm not ready to stop early for any reason, the pump and the gains are too precious to me.

Cliff notes- high bp and taking propranolol occasionally but it's ineffective on cycle

- sexual side effects, get hard but shrivels up after bangin for a bit

- want to see doc but unsure how to approach

- how to mitigate high bp?

**Mr.BB** · 09-12-2016, 11:36 PM

You need different kind of bp meds, like angiotension receptor blocker, go to your doctor and tell him you are no being able to control bp on current meds.

Mitigate it by keeping arteries and veins clean, keeping low LDL, low triglycerides, nutrition is key here. Low fat whole organics foods, get rid of dairy and eggs, plenty of raw veggies and fruit, plenty of fresh fish (only grilled). Not everything is in a pill...

**AR's King Silabolin** · 09-13-2016, 01:53 AM

Ive heard that eggs boost HDL-cholestrol and thats good for BP.

1: Drink a gallion of water each day.

2: Insert as much vegetables and veggiesjuice u can in your diett.

3: Google the 20 most arteriecleaning foodtypes and mix as many as u can in your blender and drink during the day and meals. Idealictly you should just eat those foodtypes. With whey, fish and skimmed milk.

4: Study l-arginine. I use it. 12 grams pre every workout. Some reliable sources say high does arginine can help on high BP. I dont advice it directly. Study it. From my studies i believe its safe and worth a try. It also gives superp pump when training.

5: IMPORTANT, max 5 grams of salt each day. Increase your potassium intake.

**almostgone** · 09-13-2016, 03:26 AM

Originally Posted by Mr.BB

You need different kind of bp meds, like angiotension receptor blocker, go to your doctor and tell him you are no being able to control bp on current meds.

Mitigate it by keeping arteries and veins clean, keeping low LDL, low triglycerides, nutrition is key here. Low fat whole organics foods, get rid of dairy and eggs, plenty of raw veggies and fruit, plenty of fresh fish (only grilled). Not everything is in a pill...

X2 on Mr. BB's post. For an ARB, I've had good results with Atacand/candesartan. Also, stay well hydrated. If you sweat a good bit, keep an eye on your electrolytes. Low potassium or a screwy potassium: sodium ratio can contribute to BP issues.
As mentioned watch your dietary fats and sodium intake. I prefer to keep my sodium intake on the low end. The only sodium that I add to my food is via low sodium soy sauce and the last time I tracked my sodium intake, I was just under a gram on the days I use soy sauce. We don't even keep salt in the house unless it is needed to deice the steps in winter.

**Slacker78** · 09-13-2016, 03:37 AM

1. High estrogens increase BP. Check them with a blood work, as you're AI dose could be too much low to control them. Check E2 before of all. BLOOD WORK !

2. Androgens ( Testosterone in primis ) stimulate Aldosterone secretion (RAS) which in turn increase blood volume and so BP. Taking a beta-blocker is pretty bad solution as you reduce the pump rate the heart needed to move an higher blood volume for time unit. So, *DROP* Beta-blockers and choose and ACE Inhibitors or ARBs ( take with your doctor it about )
Types of Blood Pressure Medications

3. Should i to repeat ? DIET. Remove sodium so much as possible and increase potassium intake. Follow the advices of all the others members.

That's all.

**KimboHalfSlice** · 09-13-2016, 03:37 AM

Originally Posted by Mma67

So the inevitable has happened, I have high blood pressure. It comes as no surprise since off cycle my bp is borderline ~140/90

That's not what we use the word "inevitable" for. Taking steroids isn't necessary.

Today I checked it and I'm at 154/115.

My resting heartrate was 110 when I was running Tren at 1.2g per week.

This makes me a little nervous. I already take propranolol for bp but I've been trying to avoid taking it since I hear that it could interfere with pct meds and I don't want a reflex reaction switching off cold turkey. Furthermore, I don't believe that the propranolol has done anything to help me while on cycle, it barely helps off cycle. I tried the diuretic meds before and they made me race like a piss horse and my legs cramped like hell, so I stopped taking them.

Let me just try but this in chronological order:

(1) Person knows that they're likely to get high blood pressure
(2) Person takes a drug known to increase high blood pressure
(3) Person notes that this was going to happen, that it was "inevitable"
(4) Person takes another drug to combat unwanted side-effects of the first drug, but discontinues because of unwanted side-effects.

Also, I've had some sexual side effects... Get hard as rock, start going and then just kinda slowly shrivel back down after 5 or 10 mins. I believe this has to do with high bp. I've taken cialis which works like a charm but I don't have a script. thinking of asking doc for one since it could help high bp and would cost significantly less than most sources I find.

Sounds like anorgasmia from increased prolactin.

Note: I am taking an ai, arimidex - .25mg eod. Test prop 150mg eod and about to throw in some winny to clean up my gains and finish off. My cycle is almost done and I'm not ready to stop early for any reason, the pump and the gains are too precious to me.

Not being a prick but you're going to have a stroke and lose all sensation down one side of your body.

Have you ever driven a car with a leaky radiator or a dodgy thermostat? It's only a matter of time before BLAMO.

**Slacker78** · 09-13-2016, 03:46 AM

Originally Posted by KimboHalfSlice

That's not what we use the word "inevitable" for. Taking steroids isn't necessary.

My resting heartrate was 110 when I was running Tren at 1.2g per week.
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And how did you resolve it ?

**KimboHalfSlice** · 09-13-2016, 03:49 AM

Originally Posted by Slacker78

And how did you resolve it ?

I didn't. I had a deathwish. Ended up in hospital but it was my liver getting all the attention (my ALT was about 2800).

Believe or not, the way to cure high blood pressure or high heartrate induced by steroid use ..... is............ to stop taking steroids .

The OP is going to kill himself at some point or another.

**Slacker78** · 09-13-2016, 03:53 AM

Originally Posted by KimboHalfSlice

I didn't. I had a deathwish. Ended up in hospital but it was my liver getting all the attention (my ALT was about 2800).

Believe or not, the way to cure high blood pressure or high heartrate induced by steroid use ..... is............ to stop taking steroids .

The OP is going to kill himself at some point or another.

So you wanted to die it seems to be. Surely, it's better to stop to take them if you are going to inject 1.2g. of Tren at week.

**Mr.BB** · 09-13-2016, 03:55 AM

Originally Posted by KimboHalfSlice

The OP is going to kill himself at some point or another.

We all are sooner or later.

What boogles me is high BP at 30 years old, if what you talk about stroke or other vascular problem doesnt happen his kidneys will quit long before retirement.

**KimboHalfSlice** · 09-13-2016, 03:56 AM

Originally Posted by Slacker78

So you wanted to die it seems to be. Surely, it's better to stop to take them if you are going to inject 1.2g. of Tren at week.

Pretty much.

If the OP is going to proceed then I recommend the following as required viewing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9rIJ5AHzSk

**KimboHalfSlice** · 09-13-2016, 03:57 AM

Originally Posted by Mr.BB

What boogles me is high BP at 30 years old, if what you talk about stroke or other vascular problem doesnt happen his kidneys will quit long before retirement.

And that's totally side-stepping the small issue of high blood pressure making you gay. I'm not saying that's a bad thing or anything, but it's certainly going to take some adjusting to if you've been straight for 30 odd years.

**Slacker78** · 09-13-2016, 04:09 AM

Originally Posted by KimboHalfSlice

Pretty much.

If the OP is going to proceed then I recommend the following as required viewing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9rIJ5AHzSk

You seems to advice that using steroids , *in any way* will lead unavoidably to death. I don't think this is true. A wise and moderate use, will not lead to so heavy and critical risks. Yes, using 1.2g of Tren , what anyone should expect ? Normal heart rate and BP and an healthy liver ? You should thank the heaven you are here still.

**Mma67** · 09-13-2016, 05:05 AM

Honestly this was my biggest concern. A doc once told me its my kidneys making my blood pressure high. In cases such as mine where you have high bp at a young age the kidneys seem to be the most likely thing to go first.

**Mr.BB** · 09-13-2016, 05:11 AM

Originally Posted by Mma67

A doc once told me its my kidneys making my blood pressure high.

No, its the other way around. High blood pressure will damage your kidneys.

Problem with kidneys is that they dont regenerate back like for example liver, think of it like a filter (filtering the bood), once that filter gets holes or gets blocked the only thing you can do is put a new filter (transplant). Following this analogy is also easy to understand why high blood pressure damages kidneys, if you apply pressure to any kind of filter eventually you will damage the fine mesh.

Hows your creatinine and BUN ?

**Mma67** · 09-13-2016, 05:13 AM

Originally Posted by KimboHalfSlice

That's not what we use the word "inevitable" for. Taking steroids isn't necessary.

My resting heartrate was 110 when I was running Tren at 1.2g per week.

Let me just try but this in chronological order:

(1) Person knows that they're likely to get high blood pressure
(2) Person takes a drug known to increase high blood pressure
(3) Person notes that this was going to happen, that it was "inevitable"
(4) Person takes another drug to combat unwanted side-effects of the first drug, but discontinues because of unwanted side-effects.

Sounds like anorgasmia from increased prolactin.

Not being a prick but you're going to have a stroke and lose all sensation down one side of your body.

Have you ever driven a car with a leaky radiator or a dodgy thermostat? It's only a matter of time before BLAMO.

I definitely knew the risk involved and that I had a higher chance of increasing my bp. i appreciate the feedback.

This puts things in perspective for me.

My heart rate is perfect, only ~60 bpm. Not that it supersedes bp but I'd like to believe my heart his healthy.

As many of you can already guess, I'm not going to just stop my cycle. I'm going to take the advice provided by many about diet and talk to the doc about an alternative bp med.

Last question, is prolactin really a concern with test prop?

**Mma67** · 09-13-2016, 05:23 AM

Haven't checked blood work, going to make an appointment this week to check it.

When the doc told me that, it was about 10 years ago, long before I cycled. Not sure why he blamed the kidneys but I do know high bp damages kidneys. This was a good doc, I do believe he was on to something. Bp has been an issue for me for a long time and I'm obviously not very old. I was told I'm one of the cases that they can't determine the cause. But I have certainly noticed an increase since cycling, whereas before I would teeter along the border between high and normal.

The high bp runs in my family. I won't go into details but it has been an issue for many in my fam.

**Slacker78** · 09-13-2016, 05:47 AM

Originally Posted by Mma67

Haven't checked blood work, going to make an appointment this week to check it.

When the doc told me that, it was about 10 years ago, long before I cycled. Not sure why he blamed the kidneys but I do know high bp damages kidneys. This was a good doc, I do believe he was on to something. Bp has been an issue for me for a long time and I'm obviously not very old. I was told I'm one of the cases that they can't determine the cause. But I have certainly noticed an increase since cycling, whereas before I would teeter along the border between high and normal.

The high bp runs in my family. I won't go into details but it has been an issue for many in my fam.

It could be to Vasopressin related. Inform it about.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasopressin

**KimboHalfSlice** · 09-13-2016, 07:59 AM

Originally Posted by Mma67

The high bp runs in my family. I won't go into details but it has been an issue for many in my fam.

Far too many factors at play here......... I wouldn't even approach making a decision on this until after 10 days of silence

**Mr.BB** · 09-13-2016, 08:12 AM

Originally Posted by Mma67

As many of you can already guess, I'm not going to just stop my cycle. I'm going to take the advice provided by many about diet and talk to the doc about an alternative bp med.

1. Last question, is prolactin really a concern with test prop?

Originally Posted by Mma67

2.Haven't checked blood work, going to make an appointment this week to check it.

3.The high bp runs in my family. I won't go into details but it has been an issue for many in my fam.

1. No, not ussually. But only bloodwork will tell how is your prolactin.

2. You really should have done pre cycle bloodwork...

3. Concentrate where you can make a difference, instead of wasting time complaining about inevitabilities.

**almostgone** · 09-13-2016, 09:57 AM

Another thing, OP. You said your were on propranolol, but you were trying to avoid it. Did you entirely drop it?
Hypertension can cause sexual sides. Get the BP under control.
Also, why did your Dr. put you on a beta blocker vs. an ARB, ACE inhibitor, or calcium channel blocker. Do you have other cardiac issues or require multiple BP meds?
Nothing embarrassing about being on a BP med or if you're like me BP meds.

**KimboHalfSlice** · 09-13-2016, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by Slacker78

You seems to advice that using steroids, *in any way* will lead unavoidably to death.

I've taken a few hours to consider. I think you might be right.

**Juced_porkchop** · 09-13-2016, 11:43 AM

low dose cia can help, also drink plenty of water and eat alot of veggies/fiber. but deff go to doc on this and check everything out.

**Mma67** · 09-13-2016, 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by almostgone

Another thing, OP. You said your were on propranolol, but you were trying to avoid it. Did you entirely drop it?
Hypertension can cause sexual sides. Get the BP under control.
Also, why did your Dr. put you on a beta blocker vs. an ARB, ACE inhibitor, or calcium channel blocker. Do you have other cardiac issues or require multiple BP meds?

Nothing embarrassing about being on a BP med or if you're like me BP meds.

I was only on one med at a time. The propranolol dose I was on before didn't quite do the trick. It did for a couple years but then the bp started climbing again. I can't remember what the other med was that I tried but it made me piss a lot and I was getting cramps. It was too much so I asked to be put back on propranolol and we upped the dose. The propranolol does help to keep my bp down but it doesn't do it optimally, and when on cycle it definitely doesn't help much.

I'm almost certain that the sexual sides are caused by the bp, I can actually feel when my bp is high... Not sure if this is good or bad, I'll just assume that's bad. I can still achieve orgasm, but I've had about a week of high bp and it's been difficult. It's usually fine in the morning. My bp is very sensitive so most likely my diet is playing a large role here, but it seems to be directly correlated with steroids .

Lots of good advice here, I'm certainly taking things seriously and appreciate all the feedback. Going to tweak my diet, see the doc and get everything in check.