Test prop first cycle?

[Az0342]

I know most people say to do cyp or enathate for first cycle. Is this due to reasons more than just ed/eod pinning? Since prop is a short ester is there less sides related to gyno, (lower conversion rate)? Thanks in advance.

[JKW]

Here is a good article by one of the wise ones here. It will answer the test and a lot more questions about what to consider before your first cycle. Great read and information!!! http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...rst-cycle.html

[numbere]

The side effects are the same for all versions of test because test is test.

Pinning EOD is often overwhelming for a beginner.

You're best bet would be to stick to the thread attached in the post above.

[Az0342]

Yeah I've read that post several times. thanks!

[numbere]

Yeah I've read that post several times. thanks!

Prop is my preferred test.

I've used it in every cycle except my first.

I'm happy that I didn't use it in my first run because EOD injections and the resulting PIP would have been too much.

[Az0342]

I was placed on TRT for about 5 months with 2x a week injections. I did half with IM and half sub q. So I'm convinced I can handle the eod pin with prop.

[Tlolec the toilet]

yea, i'm not crazy about all them pokes. have fun

[The Deadlifting Dog]

I was placed on TRT for about 5 months with 2x a week injections. I did half with IM and half sub q. So I'm convinced I can handle the eod pin with prop.

Just be forewarned that prop can cause PIP for some.

I like you thought prop would be better for my first cycle.
I still have a vial that I can't get myself to use because of PIP.

[AR's King Silabolin]

I know most people say to do cyp or enathate for first cycle. Is this due to reasons more than just ed/eod pinning? Since prop is a short ester is there less sides related to gyno, (lower conversion rate)? Thanks in advance.

Props big advantage is when your done your done. Your body managed 12 weeks but now its time for recovery. Then u dont want the shit in your system for 2-3 more weeks. As is the case for e, c and decanoate (sus)

[Marsoc]

Props big advantage is when your done your done. Your body managed 12 weeks but now its time for recovery. Then u dont want the shit in your system for 2-3 more weeks. As is the case for e, c and decanoate (sus)

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[AR's King Silabolin]

My NEW ZELAND VIKING FRIEND. Another ingenious reply. You my friend should most definitely be RED and KNOWLEDGABLE

Lol
1: Its Norway, other side of the globe. Close mate
2: yeah ingenious, but must admit, got that one from Pianas latest update.
3: but i agree on your colour suggestion

[Back In Black]

I was placed on TRT for about 5 months with 2x a week injections. I did half with IM and half sub q. So I'm convinced I can handle the eod pin with prop.

You were on TRT? Not now? Why not?

What pct did you run?

What is your current bloodwork?

[Az0342]

Labs before start of TRT:

Test-378
Estradiol-99
(Only ones I recall)

Dr prescribed 120 mg test cyp, 500iu hcg and 2.5 mg letro. 2x week.

I then switched doctors following a knowledgeable friends recommendation. This doctor kept me on the test and the HCG but stopped the use of Letro. At that time;

Test-669
Free-35.4
Estradiol-4.4

6 weeks later;
Test-913
Free-33.4
Didn't draw estradiol.

At this point he withdrew me from TRT and put me on a six week PCT of hCG and Clomid (don't recal the exact dosage). He drew my labs two days following The end of PCT.

From recent discussion I'm wondering if my lab values looked so good because it was so close to the end of PCT?

Test-773
Free-24.7
Estradiol-32.7


I finished PCT in late June.

[Marsoc]

Lol
1: Its Norway, other side of the globe. Close mate
2: yeah ingenious, but must admit, got that one from Pianas latest update.
3: but i agree on your colour suggestion

Right norway I meant lol

[Back In Black]

Labs before start of TRT:

Test-378
Estradiol-99
(Only ones I recall)

Dr prescribed 120 mg test cyp, 500iu hcg and 2.5 mg letro. 2x week.

I then switched doctors following a knowledgeable friends recommendation. This doctor kept me on the test and the HCG but stopped the use of Letro. At that time;

Test-669
Free-35.4
Estradiol-4.4

6 weeks later;
Test-913
Free-33.4
Didn't draw estradiol.

At this point he withdrew me from TRT and put me on a six week PCT of hCG and Clomid (don't recal the exact dosage). He drew my labs two days following The end of PCT.

From recent discussion I'm wondering if my lab values looked so good because it was so close to the end of PCT?

Test-773
Free-24.7
Estradiol-32.7


I finished PCT in late June.

Your labs looked good yes, because it was at the end your pCT. a PCT that would surprise me if it was effective.

I'd suggest you run labs again now.

Why did the idiot stop TRT?

[Az0342]

Surprise you if the PCT was effective?

I'm not entirely sure why he stopped TRT. My numbers looked (to me) like I would want my natural production to be.

I'm not too bummed he stopped it. I need to be more resourceful. Between the DR, the pharmacy and lab work. It was around $300 a month.

[DocToxin8]

Your values while still on PCT, when the SERMs are still in your system doesn't necessarily reflect what they're gonna be when the SERMs are out of your system.
So you need to check bloods again, and I wouldn't be surprised if youll need TRT again.

[Back In Black]

Surprise you if the PCT was effective?

I'm not entirely sure why he stopped TRT. My numbers looked (to me) like I would want my natural production to be.

I'm not too bummed he stopped it. I need to be more resourceful. Between the DR, the pharmacy and lab work. It was around $300 a month.

It's not a pct that anybody here would advise, especially after being shut down for so long. I'd be surprised if you recovered anywhere near your pre TRT test levels, you should definitely consider some bloodwork Asaph and then find a new doc if required. There is a sticky about how to find one in the HRT section.

[Az0342]

Thanks guy. I appreciate the info.