1st blast, sent here from TRT section

**E5Charlie** · 09-19-2016, 11:18 AM

Hello, it was suggested to me from trt section to post in this section. I'm 39 yo male 5'8" +- 190 lbs 20% bf down from almost 240 lbs 30-35% bf 3 yrs ago when I started trt. I'm currently taking 100mg test cyp a week 1x a week. No ai and no HCG . Doctor won't prescribe either. Estro hovers around 30 on every 6 mo blood test. I want to do my 1st blast in feb '17 after my next blood draw from endo. I can get ai and deca from Mexico this December, both from a pharmacy (nowhere near border town or tourist area) that I have dealt with over the years. Everything has been legit, from benzos to opiates for chronic back problems. No rx needed as I have established a good relationship with the pharmacist. From my US doctor I have saved up more than 45 ampoules of pharmacy grade Watson depo-test cyp 1ml each 200mg/ml and I get 4 more every month so I will have plenty for my blast. I still have till February '17 to get my bf even lower, although lately reducing fat has become harder and harder. I've tweaked my diet over the years on trt to fit my new weight. I haven't been anal about weighing my food, although maybe I should if I want to get serious. I lift 4x a week and do cardio almost every day. I love to run. I'm almost as fast as I was in my early 20's while in the Marine Corps. Almost down to 3miles in 18 minutes. Trt for me has been an absolute god send. Pre trt my 1st blood test showed tt in the 100's and second test came in in the low 200's, hence being placed on trt. My levels now are 800-900 a few days after injection. I had suggested if i should try 300mg deca along with test for my 1st blast in the trt section, but I was told to treat this as a 1st cycle and just do test. After careful consideration I've decided to follow their advice along with an ai. I won't get the deca from Mexico this year. The pharmacy will still be there next year. I also won't use HCG. I already have 3 kids and I don't mind having small balls. With what I have told you, do you recommend 400mg or 500mg US pharm grade test cyp a week? I will try my damndnest to get to at most 15% bf by feb '17. Thanks for reading. Hope to hear from you guys!

**ScotchGuard02** · 09-20-2016, 08:17 AM

I would run 500mg/wk for 12wks. If you're still making gains, then stay on for a couple of more week. The nice thing about being on TRT is you don't need PCT. Do take the AI to control your E2. Gyno is still a real problem. Man, if you can run an 18min 3 miles at 20%bf, you're kicking booty! If I tried to do that I'm have a heart attack and die! LOL If at all possible, try to get your bf 15% or below. You'll have a much better cycle experience. You'll probably get some acne so get some acne treatment on hand. Good luck.

**E5Charlie** · 09-20-2016, 08:43 AM

I don't know the brand name for ai in Mexico but I'm pretty sure I can get either arimidex or aromasin . Some prefer 1 over the other. Which do you think would be best in my case? As far as gyno I had it since I was a kid and a couple of years ago I had it surgically removed. If glands were removed, can gyno still come back? That scares me. With the running, I'm not at 18 min 3 miles yet. More like 19 minutes. But 18 minutes is my goal, just like back in my prime. I love to run. It gives me that runners high that people talk about. So, do you think the extra test during a blast could give me the edge in running or can it possibly negatively affect cardio? I know tren can but can test do it too? Also, at 500 mg a week if I'm still making gains after 12 weeks it's ok to extend a few weeks? I just don't want to have super high test levels when my doc checks me again or he'll know something is up. Thanks for the compliment on the running!

**E5Charlie** · 09-22-2016, 03:25 AM

Bump

**Mr.BB** · 09-22-2016, 07:26 AM

If your goal is running you dont need 500mg of test, it will not improve your long distance running.

500mg of test or high deca , its for muscle building. High amounts of any steroid is detrimental to endurance running.

Congrats on 3 miles 19 minutes running. I could never break the 20min on the 5k, even weighting over 50lbs less lolol

**DocToxin8** · 09-22-2016, 07:51 AM

Originally Posted by E5Charlie

I don't know the brand name for ai in Mexico but I'm pretty sure I can get either arimidex or aromasin. Some prefer 1 over the other. Which do you think would be best in my case? As far as gyno I had it since I was a kid and a couple of years ago I had it surgically removed. If glands were removed, can gyno still come back? That scares me. With the running, I'm not at 18 min 3 miles yet. More like 19 minutes. But 18 minutes is my goal, just like back in my prime. I love to run. It gives me that runners high that people talk about. So, do you think the extra test during a blast could give me the edge in running or can it possibly negatively affect cardio? I know tren can but can test do it too? Also, at 500 mg a week if I'm still making gains after 12 weeks it's ok to extend a few weeks? I just don't want to have super high test levels when my doc checks me again or he'll know something is up. Thanks for the compliment on the running!

If you had a gyno operation then it SHOULD be impossible to get gyno, even if you were taking pure estrogen.
And from my own experience, had gyno operation and used AAS for over 10years after without ever noticing any bump or sore nipples.
(And I use AIs only for cosmetic purposes, meaning that I sometimes run over a gram of test a week without any AI or SERM, and have no problems with gyno)

**E5Charlie** · 09-22-2016, 02:27 PM

I don't consider 3 miles long distance running. Long distance would be a marathon and I've never even done half of one of those. My goal is to add more lean muscle to my frame and if I would get faster on the 3 miles it would just be a plus. Reguarding the gyno, that is exactly the answer I was hoping for. Thanks!

**DocToxin8** · 09-22-2016, 02:59 PM

3miles, or 1,6x3=4,8km is long enough to be supressive on muscle growth, but short enough that you should be able to keep some mass also.
Since you don't have any goal of getting faster then go ahead, otherwise you'll need to be careful what compound you use.
In any case, if you do get slower because you gain to much weight, then it's easy enough to lose that weight afterwards, and probably end up faster than before.

**Mr.BB** · 09-22-2016, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by E5Charlie

I don't consider 3 miles long distance running. Long distance would be a marathon and I've never even done half of one of those. My goal is to add more lean muscle to my frame and if I would get faster on the 3 miles it would just be a plus. Reguarding the gyno, that is exactly the answer I was hoping for. Thanks!

Anything over 1500mt is considered long distance running. Doesn't matter if you considered it or not, doesn't change the fact that is an endurance sport.

But hey, you kinda cleared up the main goal (lean muscle), it was a bit confusing in previous posts. Lean muscle you will get for sure if your nutrition and lifting is correct.

About the gyno, sorry but the information given by doctox is incorrect. Most gynecomastia surgery leaves part of the mammary tissue, cause otherwise a hole would be visible, you need to check with your surgeon if he removed everything, even then some tissue could have been hidden from the surgeon.
If mammary tissue is present it has the possibility to grow in the presence of the usual female hormones. There are threads here about guys going for 2nd gynecomastia surgeries...

Still, gynecomastia is NOT the main reason for using an Aromataze Inhibitor during cycle/blasts. Other situations present further health risks when dealing with high estrogen in males, than growing tits...

**Cuz** · 09-22-2016, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by DocToxin8

If you had a gyno operation then it SHOULD be impossible to get gyno, even if you were taking pure estrogen.
And from my own experience, had gyno operation and used AAS for over 10years after without ever noticing any bump or sore nipples.
(And I use AIs only for cosmetic purposes, meaning that I sometimes run over a gram of test a week without any AI or SERM, and have no problems with gyno)

Whats your E look like on a gram with no ai? Just curious,

**kelkel** · 09-22-2016, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by DocToxin8

(And I use AIs only for cosmetic purposes, meaning that I sometimes run over a gram of test a week without any AI or SERM, and have no problems with gyno)

But gyno isn't the only issue high E causes. Lipids, prostate, sexual dysfunction and the list goes on. Not sure why you would take that risk?

**E5Charlie** · 09-23-2016, 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by Mr.BB

Anything over 1500mt is considered long distance running. Doesn't matter if you considered it or not, doesn't change the fact that is an endurance sport.

But hey, you kinda cleared up the main goal (lean muscle), it was a bit confusing in previous posts. Lean muscle you will get for sure if your nutrition and lifting is correct.

About the gyno, sorry but the information given by doctox is incorrect. Most gynecomastia surgery leaves part of the mammary tissue, cause otherwise a hole would be visible, you need to check with your surgeon if he removed everything, even then some tissue could have been hidden from the surgeon.
If mammary tissue is present it has the possibility to grow in the presence of the usual female hormones. There are threads here about guys going for 2nd gynecomastia surgeries...

Still, gynecomastia is NOT the main reason for using an Aromataze Inhibitor during cycle/blasts. Other situations present further health risks when dealing with high estrogen in males, than growing tits...

But there does seem to be a hole, or at least my nipples are sunken in. I don't know if this is what you mean by "hole". Anyway, I'm very pleased with the gyno surgery. My doctor was a young guy, a plastic surgeon, and believe it or not I was the his first male patient to get gyno surgery. He was very pleased with the results, even if he did toot his own horn. In fact he was so pleased he took many pictures (with my permission) and he advertises with my results. One other thing, I'm having a difficult time getting rid of the last 5% bf to get to 15% for my 1st blast. I've tweaked my diet and continue with the almost daily cardio. But these last 10-15 lbs just refuse to disappear. I don't know if it's just that I was overweight for so many years that my belly just stretched out too much and it's just extra skin, or if I will ever be able to see a six pack again. I can get ahold of some clen (never tried it before). Do you think it may help?

**Mr.BB** · 09-23-2016, 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by E5Charlie

But there does seem to be a hole, or at least my nipples are sunken in. I don't know if this is what you mean by "hole". Anyway, I'm very pleased with the gyno surgery. My doctor was a young guy, a plastic surgeon, and believe it or not I was the his first male patient to get gyno surgery. He was very pleased with the results, even if he did toot his own horn. In fact he was so pleased he took many pictures (with my permission) and he advertises with my results. One other thing, I'm having a difficult time getting rid of the last 5% bf to get to 15% for my 1st blast. I've tweaked my diet and continue with the almost daily cardio. But these last 10-15 lbs just refuse to disappear. I don't know if it's just that I was overweight for so many years that my belly just stretched out too much and it's just extra skin, or if I will ever be able to see a six pack again. I can get ahold of some clen (never tried it before). Do you think it may help?

If its too much sunken in its considered to be a "botched". Its not supposed to look that is was cut out.

Dont have your diet details, so its hard to give advice on the fat loss process. Your body adapts to the reduced calories by lowering the metabolism, you need to keep it high and keep your body guessing. Sometimes you implementing high carb days can increase the metabolism and continue the fat loss process, its a slow process nonetheless (and it should be). Personally cant stand clen .

**E5Charlie** · 09-24-2016, 09:40 AM

Originally Posted by Mr.BB

If its too much sunken in its considered to be a "botched". Its not supposed to look that is was cut out.

Dont have your diet details, so its hard to give advice on the fat loss process. Your body adapts to the reduced calories by lowering the metabolism, you need to keep it high and keep your body guessing. Sometimes you implementing high carb days can increase the metabolism and continue the fat loss process, its a slow process nonetheless (and it should be). Personally cant stand clen.

Why don't you like clen ? I've heard it's great for reducing body fat. I've read all about the sides but would a lower dose reduce sides and still promote fat loss? Albeit a slower fat loss but still more than if you went completely without? I'm trying to loose another 10-15 lbs of fat before February '17. I think it's doable, but I really have to figure out my diet. I haven't put in the work needed. An average day for me is as follows: a nutrigrain bar with 20g protein powder at about 5:30 am. Workout and cardio 6am-about 7:15. Then 1 cup oats w/1cup skim milk and 20g protein powder and a banana pwo. 10am 1 can tuna on wheat bread w/cup of frozen veggies. 1pm 1-2 chicken breasts, salad no dressing, 1cup brown rice or quinoa. 4pm grilled salmon fillet on rye with mustard (I work in a restaurant and I eat this almost every day) with a big salad (again no dressing). 7 pm handful of nuts (cashews, peanuts, pistachios) unsalted and some raisins. 9-10 pm 1 cup fat free or low fat cottage cheese w/ about 2 cups fruit. This is my basic daily diet and I don't deviate from it very much. I like it and I don't mind eating it daily. I take a multi and krill oil. I add olive oil to my salads for healthy fats. I drink 1-1 1/2gal of water a day. I haven't figured out my macros, but I have cut down on food as I've gone down in weight. Anything major on my diet stand out?