Will I Be Able To Get Back To Normal?

**75 Dogs** · 09-23-2016, 11:10 AM

(borderline TRT/AAS questions, but since it has more to do with taking AAS I’m posting it here)

The situation:

I’ve been on doctor-prescribed TRT for a couple years, have all my numbers great, and feel about as good as I suppose I ever will. It took about 9 months to get my dosages right, about a year and half to “recover” to normal feelings and body fat/muscular response, and I will be doing this for the rest of my life.

The question:

I’ve never done a cycle before. I know no PCT is required for me, but has anyone who did TRT first experienced problems getting back to their normal levels, or more importantly feeling “right again” after a blast?

A guy on the HRT forum raised concerns that he personally wouldn’t mess with things once he got his numbers dialed in, and essentially would never blast again. Any input appreciated.

**Scorpion0922** · 09-23-2016, 08:44 PM

I've been on TRT for about 3 years and always feel good after a cycle. I also run moderate doses, always keep an eye on all vitals, adjust AI if adjusting is needed....

**DocToxin8** · 09-23-2016, 09:48 PM

I'm not on TRT, but I've been on for the last 8-10years, with a couple of months break total. I'm actually going to a doc to get TRT now, as it's clear that my HPTA is fucked.

Anyway, even though I'm not on TRT as such, but rather "cruising", as the lowest I go is 250mg test e every 10days, and usually 250mg/week.
And my experience is that when quitting a high dosage "blast", it can actually feel very nice to go back to 250mg a week again.

So I wouldn't think it would be any problem to cycle and get back to TRT, but everyone is different.

**AR's King Silabolin** · 09-24-2016, 12:04 AM

Originally Posted by DocToxin8

I'm not on TRT, but I've been on for the last 8-10years, with a couple of months break total. I'm actually going to a doc to get TRT now, as it's clear that my HPTA is fucked.

Anyway, even though I'm not on TRT as such, but rather "cruising", as the lowest I go is 250mg test e every 10days, and usually 250mg/week.
And my experience is that when quitting a high dosage "blast", it can actually feel very nice to go back to 250mg a week again.

So I wouldn't think it would be any problem to cycle and get back to TRT, but everyone is different.

Wow ten years straigth. Can i ask, how do u manage hematocrit and prostate?

**hammerheart** · 09-24-2016, 01:00 AM

Originally Posted by 75 Dogs

(borderline TRT/AAS questions, but since it has more to do with taking AAS I’m posting it here)

The situation:

I’ve been on doctor-prescribed TRT for a couple years, have all my numbers great, and feel about as good as I suppose I ever will. It took about 9 months to get my dosages right, about a year and half to “recover” to normal feelings and body fat/muscular response, and I will be doing this for the rest of my life.

The question:

I’ve never done a cycle before. I know no PCT is required for me, but has anyone who did TRT first experienced problems getting back to their normal levels, or more importantly feeling “right again” after a blast?

A guy on the HRT forum raised concerns that he personally wouldn’t mess with things once he got his numbers dialed in, and essentially would never blast again. Any input appreciated.

You can always avoid to blast on test in order to avoid to mess up TRT. Not that I've any cycling experience but as a guy on TRT that's what I'd do - stack another compound then come off when cycle is over.

**75 Dogs** · 09-26-2016, 08:02 AM

Originally Posted by Scorpion0922

I've been on TRT for about 3 years and always feel good after a cycle. I also run moderate doses, always keep an eye on all vitals, adjust AI if adjusting is needed....

That's definitely an ideal situation. Can I ask what you mean by "moderate doses"? I was planning on the 500mg/week cycle for 12 weeks.

**75 Dogs** · 09-26-2016, 08:07 AM

Originally Posted by bizzarro

You can always avoid to blast on test in order to avoid to mess up TRT. Not that I've any cycling experience but as a guy on TRT that's what I'd do - stack another compound then come off when cycle is over.

That's not something I've even considered. So you are saying since I already have some testosterone in me, it may be possible to add another non-testosterone steroid for a cycle? I haven't even researched tren , deca , or stuff like that...because it seems like I would stick to a testosterone-only cycle the first time. Seems like there are a lot of warnings against those things for first time users, but I'll at least look into those to do some research.

**hammerheart** · 09-26-2016, 08:14 AM

Originally Posted by 75 Dogs

That's not something I've even considered. So you are saying since I already have some testosterone in me, it may be possible to add another non-testosterone steroid for a cycle? I haven't even researched tren, deca, or stuff like that...because it seems like I would stick to a testosterone-only cycle the first time. Seems like there are a lot of warnings against those things for first time users, but I'll at least look into those to do some research.

Yeah but you aren't strictly speaking a "first time user" since your on TRT. You can't consider yourself virgin regarding AAS, imo.

19-nors are also not recommended to beginners due heavier suppression of HPTA, but you don't have to worry about PCT.

Non-aromatizable compounds like tren or DHTs also mean you don't have to adjust your AI dosage, which can be difficult enough on TRT.

Again, I'm no expert in this field and I'd rather let more experienced members advise here

**75 Dogs** · 09-26-2016, 08:53 AM

Originally Posted by bizzarro

Yeah but you aren't strictly speaking a "first time user" since your on TRT. You can't consider yourself virgin regarding AAS, imo.

19-nors are also not recommended to beginners due heavier suppression of HPTA, but you don't have to worry about PCT.

Non-aromatizable compounds like tren or DHTs also mean you don't have to adjust your AI dosage, which can be difficult enough on TRT.

Again, I'm no expert in this field and I'd rather let more experienced members advise here

Good thinking though, I'm going to look into this.

Also, I'm not technically a virgin? Now I feel like the girl who has only taken it up the butt so she can remain pure!

**ScotchGuard02** · 09-26-2016, 09:16 AM

I'm on TRT and I cycle 3times in 2 years. Sometimes 4 cycle if the cycles are short. Yeah, I've got some BPHS and gotta run to the bathroom several time at night but I look awesome doing it. LOL

**kelkel** · 09-26-2016, 09:28 AM

Originally Posted by ScotchGuard02

I'm on TRT and I cycle 3times in 2 years. Sometimes 4 cycle if the cycles are short. Yeah, I've got some BPHS and gotta run to the bathroom several time at night but I look awesome doing it. LOL

Scotch have you ever checked the difference in PSA levels when off and on? If your psa is spiking heavily when on cycle some low dose Finasteride may be prudent.

**kelkel** · 09-26-2016, 09:32 AM

Originally Posted by 75 Dogs

A guy on the HRT forum raised concerns that he personally wouldn’t mess with things once he got his numbers dialed in, and essentially would never blast again. Any input appreciated.

Hell, once dialed in and stable on TRT is probably the safest time anyone can cycle since you don't have to ever worry about restarting your HPTA.

Originally Posted by DocToxin8

And my experience is that when quitting a high dosage "blast", it can actually feel very nice to go back to 250mg a week again.

I tend to agree with this. Cycles can be awesome but getting back to normal TRT levels is always a great feeling as well. Maybe a healthier feeling. Hard to put a finger on it.

**75 Dogs** · 09-26-2016, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by ScotchGuard02

Yeah, I've got some BPHS and gotta run to the bathroom several time at night but I look awesome doing it. LOL

lol...go to the bathroom big or don't go at all

**75 Dogs** · 09-26-2016, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Hell, once dialed in and stable on TRT is probably the safest time anyone can cycle since you don't have to ever worry about restarting your HPTA.

That's what my impression was. It sounds like I can rest sound on the getting-back-to-normal front. Now the only thing I have to worry about is giving myself enough time to finish a cycle and get back to my normal numbers before the doctor sees I've been messing with stuff.

**75 Dogs** · 09-28-2016, 08:33 AM

Originally Posted by bizzarro

Yeah but you aren't strictly speaking a "first time user" since your on TRT. You can't consider yourself virgin regarding AAS, imo.

19-nors are also not recommended to beginners due heavier suppression of HPTA, but you don't have to worry about PCT.

Non-aromatizable compounds like tren or DHTs also mean you don't have to adjust your AI dosage, which can be difficult enough on TRT.

Again, I'm no expert in this field and I'd rather let more experienced members advise here

So after looking into this a little bit (I still have more research) the detection times for injectables seem to vary wildly. And it seems like the detection will be from other areas, not raised testosterone levels . I'm confident my doctor knows what he's doing, so I'm sure he'd be able to spot it.

Deca has a half-life of 15 days, but seems to be detectable for 18 months! I don't know if that means if I use it, the doc can tell from a blood test what has been going on.

Winstrol 24 hour half-life, detectable for 9 weeks.

Masteron Propionate seems to be the best with half-life of 8 days, detectable for 3 weeks. But I see that is commonly used for cutting and I'll be so lean when I start (7%-9%) that I don't need any cutting help, I need mass help.

Tren Acetate looks to be versatile enough to give me the bulking I'd like, but could cause raised LDL and suppressed HDL which I'm not sure about being noticed on a blood test...half-life of 3-8 days, detectable for 5 months.

As for orals, I've read the gains you make are more likely to come off when you stop taking them. And the two with 3 week detection times are Winstrol (which I've read is also for cutting) and Oxandrolone. Now Oxandrolone seems intriguing because it does seem to be intended to help pack on muscle...so I'll probably look into that more.

But at this point, it seems like my safest route may be to find Test-E and increase my dosage each week to 500mg. I'm thinking it will be detectable on a blood test that I have testosterone , but that's fine because I'm using it anyway, and the numbers should be able to lower back down to what I have currently instead of the higher numbers that will spike on-cycle.

I still have research to do as I have only been concentrating on Test and educating myself, but thought I'd post this update.

**hammerheart** · 09-28-2016, 09:52 AM

Your doctor will check just for test. In order to find other compounds he should check very specifically for those AAS (like anti-doping routines). He might find some clues by looking at hematocrit, hemoglobin, cholesterol if he does check those but he will think it's from the TRT.

Cycle doses of Test do exactly the same...

**75 Dogs** · 09-28-2016, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by bizzarro

Your doctor will check just for test. In order to find other compounds he should check very specifically for those AAS (like anti-doping routines). He might find some clues by looking at hematocrit, hemoglobin, cholesterol if he does check those but he will think it's from the TRT.

Cycle doses of Test do exactly the same...

I get a very comprehensive panel of bloods that does include all those things. So you're saying he'd:

a) need to do a specific check for a compound to see if I was taking it (more of a steroid check like athletes get rather than a general blood test); and,

b) I'm just as well off taking any of the other steroids as testosterone , because cycle doses of Test will change numbers similarly as those...so the main concern should be how long it will take my numbers to return to normal

Do I have that right? And if so, should I be concentrating on half-life and ignore the detection time?

**hammerheart** · 09-28-2016, 11:21 AM

Yes, you are correct, except the half life isn't really that important, it takes weeks to months anyway for the system to return normal. You might want to pull after-cycle bloods, see whether hemoglobin&hematocrit are borderline, and in the case donate if there is not enough time before doc pulls blood again. I wouldn't worry about messed up cholesterol, but if hematocrit is high he might even set you off TRT.

**75 Dogs** · 09-28-2016, 11:52 AM

Thank you for making that more clear to me about different steroids and the system returning to normal.

My LDL was a little high last time, but I don't remember him being too worried about it. My hematocrit and hemoglobin have always been about in the middle of the reference range
(hematocrit now 46 on a 37.5-51 range), but I suppose cycle-levels of Test could affect that.

You're saying if my numbers come back high after the cycle (before the official test) donate blood because this will alleviate the red blood cell build up, and that will lower my levels?

Sorry for all the questions, but I really appreciate all the answers and want to make sure I understand.

**hammerheart** · 09-28-2016, 12:03 PM

Yes, that's the logic, unless you got enough time for readings to naturally get back to normal.

**Strongblood** · 09-28-2016, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by Silabolin

Wow ten years straigth. Can i ask, how do u manage hematocrit and prostate?

I've done a little studying on prostate issues while on cycle. And the men that seem to have the most problems with their prostate while cycling are those around 44 years old and up. So, I think it's safe to say that cycling may bring prostate problems sooner. If one is predisposed to have those problems anyway. This is just my opinion.