Tren Train

**petemitchell30** · 09-25-2016, 07:53 PM

I'm going to give weekly (or so) updates about my first ride on the tren train. Maybe it can help, or serve as a warning, to other first time tren users. I'd love suggestions form experienced users about how to improve my protocol or mitigate sides. DO NOT tell me not to try it (i've already started), and DO NOT tell me I should have used Ace (couldn't get it). I agree test cyp would be better, I agree I should have started with Ace, but I couldn't get either. Besides, plenty have already lectured me, so just wait for the sides to become overwhelming, I'll quit, and THEN you can write "I told you so."

Current stats, 6'4"ish 230lbs, I'd guess 13% bodyfat, bench 350ish, can still dunk a basketball from a vertical jump at 34 (Yes I'm proud of this).

Previous experience with AAS includes winny and deca (10 years ago), and now I've been on TRT for 4 or 5 mos. The Tren E I got through a "friend" because I'm too worried to have something shipped to my home. Several people at my gym have used it, and they are all still alive and claim its g2g. We shall see......

My protocol includes
1) Regular TRT Protocol
200Test cyp 1X per week (I actually FEEL better on 1X a week as opposed to 2, I know -- weird.)
.25 Adex EOD
2) Tren E - 1st 3 weeks 150mg 2X per week (total 300 per week). If I handle that ok, I'll might bump it to 400per week....but will NOT go above that.
3) Caber - .5mg 2X per week

HCG - Not currently planning to use HCG (I do have it though), although I'm almost certain my own test production is nill. HCG makes my e2 skyrocket, and makes my nips feel like they are on fire. I would like to have more children sometime in the next couple of years....so I know I'll have to get back on it at some point.

Diet - around 2500 clean calories per day on 40/40/20 split. Plan on consuming at least a gallon of H2O ED. Every 2 weeks or so I'll take 1 or 2 days to eat whatever I want. Also, I'll drink excessively 1 night every 2 weeks or so, but don't touch alcohol otherwise.

Sides
To mitigate insomnia I have melatonin and lunesta. This is the side that worries me the most, as I already suffer from insomnia to a certain degree. If I am forced off the tren train early, I'd lay odds at 9 to 1 this is why.
To mitigate acne I have acne body wash containing 2% salicylic acid.
Not sure what I can do about anxiety or night sweats except keep the doses low like I plan to.....any suggestion are appreciated.

Took 1st shot today, was scared shitless of that damn cough, but luckily it was smooth.

Thoughts? (Other than "You're Not Ready for Tren" or "Should have tried Ace First")

**Euroholic** · 09-25-2016, 08:02 PM

What are your goals? How long you running this for? You dont take an ai with your trt? 2500cals is not that much.

**petemitchell30** · 09-25-2016, 08:31 PM

Originally Posted by Euroholic

What are your goals? How long you running this for? You dont take an ai with your trt? 2500cals is not that much.

Trying to stay around 230, lose 5 or 10 lbs of fat while gaining the same in muscle, thus the 2500cals. AI = .25 adex (anastrozole) EOD for TRT. Plan is to run for 10 weeks if I can handle the sides.

**Chicagotarsier** · 09-26-2016, 05:46 AM

I will give you two pearls.

1. Once the Tren E kicks around week 4 you are going to find out calories are hell to ingest. Be prepared to force your meals.

2. Tren made me want to sleep ALL the time. Weird dreams like a mofo but sleep sleep sleep.

I made gains beyond my wildest dreams. Good Luck. Hope you did your prelab.

**InternalFire** · 09-26-2016, 06:42 AM

I will watch this tren train wreck, may be interesting

Sent from my eyePhone

**hammerheart** · 09-26-2016, 07:13 AM

Originally Posted by Chicagotarsier

I will give you two pearls.

1. Once the Tren E kicks around week 4 you are going to find out calories are hell to ingest. Be prepared to force your meals.

2. Tren made me want to sleep ALL the time. Weird dreams like a mofo but sleep sleep sleep.

I made gains beyond my wildest dreams. Good Luck. Hope you did your prelab.

What dose were you running? Did you had any thyroid bloods made at the time?

Originally Posted by InsaneMuscle

I will watch this tren train wreck, may be interesting

^

Subscribed.

**petemitchell30** · 09-26-2016, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by Chicagotarsier

I will give you two pearls.

1. Once the Tren E kicks around week 4 you are going to find out calories are hell to ingest. Be prepared to force your meals.

2. Tren made me want to sleep ALL the time. Weird dreams like a mofo but sleep sleep sleep.

I made gains beyond my wildest dreams. Good Luck. Hope you did your prelab.

I appreciate the advice Sir. How much were you running? I'll be honest I'm not sure I'll go above 300mg per week because all of the horror stories have me paranoid. Because I am taking enanthate , if sides start to get crazy, I want less of it in my body to filter out!

Also, .25 Adex EOD is not entirely accurate. I go back and forth between EOD and E3D depending upon how I feel. I've almost gotten to where I can tell if E2 is getting a little high or a little low....

**songdog** · 09-26-2016, 04:32 PM

Tren or any other aas isnt a diet aid.Weight loss is do too your diet.There is no pill which will make you lose weight.Tren is really for guys who are at a point where they used most of the different compounds.And they are at a sticking point and tren pushes them past it.Most guys jump on the train long before they need to.Much like yourself.But good luck.

**kelkel** · 09-26-2016, 04:50 PM

With caber all you'll need is .25 x 2 per week. .5 is over-kill. Save the rest for another time.
With your adex on a one day per week TRT protocol you may be better served taking .25 the day of injection and then 2 days after and that's it. Later in the week when your T levels are declining you may not need it at all.

**petemitchell30** · 09-27-2016, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by kelkel

With caber all you'll need is .25 x 2 per week. .5 is over-kill. Save the rest for another time.
With your adex on a one day per week TRT protocol you may be better served taking .25 the day of injection and then 2 days after and that's it. Later in the week when your T levels are declining you may not need it at all.

Thank you Sir. Those pills are so tiny I'm unsure if I can split them more than once, but I'll give it a shot. I'll also give that Adex protocol a shot, the advice is much appreciated!

Any suggestions for how long I should wait to pull bloods for prolactin?

**kelkel** · 09-27-2016, 11:57 AM

Just pull it when you do mid-cycle bloods. But in reality if you're running legit caber you'll be about bottomed out. That said, pull it as it's a great learning tool for how you respond to different amounts of ancillaries. Also, don't worry if the pills split evenly. It's really not that important just do the best you can.

**petemitchell30** · 09-27-2016, 03:49 PM

Kel how will I know if caber is legit? I took .5mg with my 1st pin, but I didn't feel any differently.....any way to tell other than just waiting and pulling blood?

**kelkel** · 09-27-2016, 04:14 PM

Trust your source, that's all. It's not a highly counterfeited item whatsoever. Sides can be nausea, drowsyness and like any med a long list of other things. I normally feel lethargic for a couple of days then it subsides.

**petemitchell30** · 09-28-2016, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Trust your source, that's all. It's not a highly counterfeited item whatsoever. Sides can be nausea, drowsyness and like any med a long list of other things. I normally feel lethargic for a couple of days then it subsides.

Thank you Sir. I'll back it off to .25 beginning tomorrow. I appreciate the help!

**petemitchell30** · 09-29-2016, 08:52 PM

A quick question for anyone who knows..

I was going to pull my E2 next week - I've read that Tren throws off E2 tests and causes inaccurate readings...any truth to this?
Also, I thought tren curbed appetite but I cant stop eating....literally hungry all the time. What gives?

**petemitchell30** · 10-03-2016, 02:13 PM

1 week in, 3rd pin yesterday. Doing low dose like I said earlier, 150 2X per week. No tren cough (thank God), no other sides as of yet. I may be a little hungrier than usual....actually sleeping better (I have trouble sleeping anyway).

1 week in wasn't expecting to notice any difference, and I can't. Getting prolactin and E2 tested today.

**petemitchell30** · 10-07-2016, 08:01 AM

So....long story short, I'm off the tren train. I was seeing zero sides/gains, so I ordered a kit from roidtest.com, and my Tren ENANTHATE 200 turned out to be Tren ACETATE.

I'm GUESSING the potency is 100mg/ml (most common), and I gave serious thought to running it at .5MG EOD. But ultimately, because it was mislabeled I have no way of knowing for sure, so in the interest of safety I just terminated the cycle.

**Mr.BB** · 10-07-2016, 08:43 AM

Whats was the brand?

You should contact the seller complaining.

**RigPig** · 10-07-2016, 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by Mr.BB

Whats was the brand? You should contact the seller complaining.

X2
What brand? If they mislabeled the vial the shouldn't have any issue replacing it for you!!

**petemitchell30** · 10-07-2016, 04:49 PM

The brand is called Carpe Diem and its from a lab called IFBB Supplies. I did contact the guy to let him know.

He apologized and offered to replace it free. Said he would ship it to me immediately and that I would have it the next day. The man really responded well and I could tell he was eager to correct the situation and earn back my business. It was actually quite surprising given that I didn't even purchase it from him, and I am such a small customer (was only 2 bottles). I would absolutely use him again if I could get my hands on his stuff.

However, the offer to replace it by mail does me no good because I am averse to having anything mailed to my house. Therefore, I thanked him for his professionalism but ultimately declined his offer.

**InternalFire** · 10-07-2016, 05:23 PM

so I dont follow, how did you obtained your tren in the first place to begin with? from a local guy?

**Mr.BB** · 10-07-2016, 05:34 PM

Can I send you my address??

**RigPig** · 10-07-2016, 05:54 PM

Ok, do I understand this right? so you bought gear from a person face to face, and the lab rep you mentioned offered to fix that guys deal? And how would he know you're holding legit gear of his?
This seems strange, but very nice of him, to fix something he didn't fuck up in the first place.
For all him and you know, you bought bathtub brew with someone else label on it.

**InternalFire** · 10-07-2016, 05:57 PM

cant you see people? Its another way of pushing brands, seems so innocent, so well soaped, lets all fall for this

lets not be naive, it smells bad already

**RigPig** · 10-07-2016, 06:15 PM

Originally Posted by InsaneMuscle

cant you see people? Its another way of pushing brands, seems so innocent, so well soaped, lets all fall for this

lets not be naive, it smells bad already

Go on IM, id like to hear more. First mention of the lab is piss poor, second of the lab is very strange I agree, but what makes you think the OP is a shill for this brand?

**InternalFire** · 10-07-2016, 06:28 PM

its so much cuteness and sweetness it is going to kill me

* guy registers not long ago with maybe some unknown intentions, could be good or bad, which will never be known, situation will/may change as we speak about this
* guy opens a thread and gets some attention doing something crazy/unusual
* then the run fails earlier than anticipated
* he does "all the right things" to get gear tested
* sells himself some public trust by being detailed and open, but yet comes out little weird with the end line of the storey where he is offered to be sorted out for free of charge (sweet, aint it?) and then kindly refuses because of privacy/personal reasons, yet being nice (cute, aint it?)

Now, hold this ^ thought , Im just wildly speculating, I sure hope guy is legit and storey is real, but dots dont come together right no matter how I look at it. And when shit looks too good to be true - it usually is shit.

If Im right after all - I foresee several end scenarios:

*guy never replies, dissipaters, ignores this thread etc
*guy goes all out ballistic bashing me for trying to accuse him of whatever
*guy goes reaches back to UGL and then tries getting it resent to his or his friends/sources address but UGL head office asks some verification payment details to confirm the purchase and replacement moves are cut to fall because guy probably didn't buy from the source.
*guy brings this up to his local source and gets money back
*guy brings this up to his local source and gets a replacement sent by his mega-loyal UGL to his local source
*guy gets direct replacement trough his local source and continues his tren journey here.

I hope Im 150% wrong, but I will be laughing if Im not

**DocToxin8** · 10-07-2016, 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by RigPig

Go on IM, id like to hear more. First mention of the lab is piss poor, second of the lab is very strange I agree, but what makes you think the OP is a shill for this brand?

Hmm, I don't know. But "a very professional" rep that takes such responsibility isn't a negative trait. Luckily I'm on the other side of the world and don't need internet sources, so I can chill with the paranoia, for now.

**petemitchell30** · 10-07-2016, 06:49 PM

So, to answer some of the questions,

Ok, do I understand this right? so you bought gear from a person face to face, and the lab rep you mentioned offered to fix that guys deal? And how would he know you're holding legit gear of his?
This seems strange, but very nice of him, to fix something he didn't fuck up in the first place.
For all him and you know, you bought bathtub brew with someone else label on it.

Rig Pig, you understand correctly. But before I started taking it, I hunted the brand rep down on another board and sent him a picture of it and he verified that it was his product. Also, the seal at the top was still attached.

InsaneMuscle...lol, I'm not even going to copy and paste all that. But come on dude. This is my THIRD, repeat THIRD attempt to get legit gear, and I'm 0 for 3. I'm annoying the hell out of people up in their pm's trying to get ahold of something real and reliable....lol. If I posted a picture of myself, (not that I look bad, I happen to think I'm quite handsome) it would be apparent that I'm not pushing any brand or UGL or lab or whatever....because if I was, I would obviously have access to gear and would look a lot more "steroidy" than I do. Also I would NOT have pissed away over $600 in failed attempts.....but I digress.

I don't know how you interpreted me telling the board that the lab admittedly mislabeled its and subsequently tried to right the wrong, as a ringing endorsement of the lab...but I have to tell you, Buddy I'm not losing a lot of sleep worried about which brand of illegal drugs "InsaneMuscle" or anyone else perceives as legit or not...lol. If my life ever sucks that bad, I'll just go jump off of a cliff.

**InternalFire** · 10-07-2016, 06:58 PM

so why not have that gear sent to some other address or PO box, or to your sources address? you would score 1:3

**RigPig** · 10-07-2016, 07:54 PM

Originally Posted by DocToxin8

Hmm, I don't know. But "a very professional" rep that takes such responsibility isn't a negative trait. Luckily I'm on the other side of the world and don't need internet sources, so I can chill with the paranoia, for now.

I wouldn't say it was a negative trait either, IF you were indeed buying legit gear with his name on it.
Judging by the back story and how this particular rep verified the gear before he used it is be inclined to believe this isn't a "publicity stunt".
But I have no interest in trying this UGL anyway, so if it were a stunt it hasn't worked on me.
Pete - don't be so paranoid about getting 2 vials of Tren sent to you. I'm sure the police in your area have bigger fish to fry then to bother you for 20ml of Tren. You're missing out, the guy you get from must get it shipped to him. Cut out all the middle men. Less risk with less people

**petemitchell30** · 10-07-2016, 08:06 PM

Because I don't run in a circles where I could ask someone to do that. And you can get popped just as easily at a P.O. box as you could at home...you have to provide identification to get one of those. They know who you are.

As for my source, I've literally spoken to him TWICE. Once when a guy at the gym introduced us and I told him what I wanted, and another time in passing.

Insane you are obviously skeptical, which is probably a good thing. Buddy if you want to pm me a good source to use I'm all ears, because I'm doing a piss poor job of finding one for myself.

**petemitchell30** · 10-07-2016, 08:09 PM

Originally Posted by RigPig

I wouldn't say it was a negative trait either, IF you were indeed buying legit gear with his name on it.
Judging by the back story and how this particular rep verified the gear before he used it is be inclined to believe this isn't a "publicity stunt".
But I have no interest in trying this UGL anyway, so if it were a stunt it hasn't worked on me.
Pete - don't be so paranoid about getting 2 vials of Tren sent to you. I'm sure the police in your area have bigger fish to fry then to bother you for 20ml of Tren. You're missing out, the guy you get from must get it shipped to him. Cut out all the middle men. Less risk with less people

Man I hear you, and I understand, logically and rationally, that its probably even safer to order online.....but I just can't bring myself to do it. I'm thinking about it more and more every time I fail at this lol.

**jolter604** · 10-07-2016, 08:57 PM

Tren "hot rod of aas"

**hammerheart** · 10-11-2016, 04:47 PM

What's whit tren and headaches. Do they have their own name - trenaches?

I have been having the worst one I can recall in the last five yrs. Caber too had this side initially, but those were bearable. Must be the damned SE receptors.

Luckily ibuprofen works great for me and always get rid of the pain for 8-12 hrs.

**Mr.BB** · 10-11-2016, 04:49 PM

Never had headaches due to tren .

Is your BP ok?

**hammerheart** · 10-11-2016, 04:56 PM

I will give it a check tomorrow but usually my BP is very stable at about 115/75.

Also noticed on waking up my skin looked much darker, I guess from local vasodilation, but this subsided shortly after.

**Mr.BB** · 10-11-2016, 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by bizzarro

I will give it a check tomorrow but usually my BP is very stable at about 115/75.

Also noticed on waking up my skin looked much darker, I guess from local vasodilation, but this subsided shortly after.

you need to spend 25€ on one similar to this^^

**InternalFire** · 10-11-2016, 05:33 PM

Ive one just like it, hate the pressure it creates on trained bis, leaves bruises sometimes, but measures precise

**Strongblood** · 10-11-2016, 09:19 PM

Bizarro, if you're having headaches on Tren , it's a good chance your BP is up. Check it for real bro! You don't want to play around with that. A lot of guys take a low dose of Cialis (5-7.5 mgs.)daily for elevated BP. I do, and it helps a lot! Good luck bro!

**hammerheart** · 10-12-2016, 04:39 AM

Well BP is a tad elevated than usual but not anywhere alarming. I'm acquainted with BP related headaches, I get a sense of pressure behind the eyes from those. Resting HR is normally around 65, had been walking around a bit (and I walk pretty fast) prior to measurement, so a minor elevation is justified.

Originally Posted by Strongblood

Good luck bro!

Thanks I need a lot of it