Question about Caber

**Vincentino** · 09-29-2016, 07:38 AM

Alright. First things first, I've cycled Tren before (long ester), and I've cycled Deca before. Neither time did I use Caber or Prami or anything for Prolactin control. I never had any gyno issues or lactation, none of that.
I've been researching both compounds a lot lately since I'm wanting to run another cycle with Deca for its joint support properties.
Now, my question for everyone is: If I never had any issues before, do you feel like I'd even need to take one of those compounds? Does anyone else have a similar story where they didn't have any problemsuggestions but chose to run Caber or Prami anyways? What were your pros/cons?
Thanks in advance.

**hammerheart** · 09-29-2016, 07:44 AM

Cons: none, excluding sides, but these tend to subside after a few days.

Pros: Better safe than sorry. PRL shouldn't be found in men, predispose to gyno, kills libido, may cause/worsen depression and makes harder for the HTPA to recover.

**numbere** · 09-29-2016, 08:13 AM

As a general rule of thumb only take a drug if you need to for health reasons.

Imo you shouldn't take caber without good reason.

It would be a good idea to have some caber on hand and if bw indicates elevated PRO or you have signs of elevated PRO then begin taking caber.

If your going to use low dose deca for joint relief then you probably won't see an increase in PRO.

The range for PRO is 4-15.2 µg/L.

You need some PRO in you system to feel like a man and if you bottom out your PRO then you will likely experience sexual sides such as premature or delayed climax.

Post pct numbers. Need advice with prolactin

**hammerheart** · 09-29-2016, 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by numbere

As a general rule of thumb only take a drug if you need to for health reasons.

You know that concept can be extended to the whole of the AAS world, right?

**numbere** · 09-29-2016, 08:34 AM

Originally Posted by bizzarro

You know that concept can be extended to the whole of the AAS world, right?

Yes but it's much easier to convenience someone not to take a drug if it doesn't aid in building muscle lol.

...

This seems like the a good thread to bring up the topic.

What do you or anyone else reading this think about DAWS (Dopamine Agonist Withdrawal Syndrome).

Has anyone experienced this first hand?

**hammerheart** · 09-29-2016, 08:38 AM

That's what I've been concerned with for a while, before starting caber. The problem with DA is they reduce the rate of dopamine synthesis, whilst antagonist raise it, so it's logic to expect withdrawal symptoms upon cessation, until system regains homeostasis and rate of synthesis return to normal.

**Vincentino** · 09-29-2016, 08:41 AM

Thanks for the info guys.

And no I've only heard horror stories which has made me skiddish on taking it, but as you guys just proved me right, I decided to ask the forum in hopes of gaining some insight. I'll definitely get some as a just in case, but I'll hold off taking it unless I start having issues.

**Vincentino** · 09-29-2016, 08:45 AM

I don't remember which thread I read it on... perhaps it was the one with all of the info on Tren in it. But there was a guy that took Caber just for the sexual health benefits of it, but when he came off he had terrible withdrawal from it. Said he was way worse off than before he took it. With all of the potential dangers/risks that come with AAS use, I definitely don't want to chance fucking something else up if I didn't absolutely need to take the risk.

**numbere** · 09-29-2016, 08:47 AM

Originally Posted by bizzarro

That's what I've been concerned with for a while, before starting caber. The problem with DA is they reduce the rate of dopamine synthesis, whilst antagonist raise it, so it's logic to expect withdrawal symptoms upon cessation, until system regains homeostasis and rate of synthesis return to normal.

I realize everyone has different reactions to these drugs but I've never experienced DAWS from caber.

I think that caber, though great at reducing PRO, is a mild DA and at the doses we use on cycle DAWS isn't something to worry about when using caber.

Just my two cents, so take it for what it's worth.

**Vincentino** · 09-29-2016, 08:49 AM

Originally Posted by numbere

I realize everyone has different reactions to these drugs but I've never experienced DAWS from caber.

I think that caber, though great at reducing PRO, is a mild DA and at the doses we use on cycle DAWS isn't something to worry about when using caber.

Just my two cents, so take it for what it's worth.

Appreciate the knowledge and insight my friend.

**numbere** · 09-29-2016, 08:56 AM

Originally Posted by Vincentino

I don't remember which thread I read it on... perhaps it was the one with all of the info on Tren in it. But there was a guy that took Caber just for the sexual health benefits of it, but when he came off he had terrible withdrawal from it. Said he was way worse off than before he took it. With all of the potential dangers/risks that come with AAS use, I definitely don't want to chance fucking something else up if I didn't absolutely need to take the risk.

Are you sure he was on caber and not prami?

Caber gives me no serial benefits, although sense of well being is slightly increased.

My loads my be bigger but you'd have to ask my girl.

Prami did make sex a bit better but discontinued used spending a night on my bathroom floor puking my face off.

**hammerheart** · 09-29-2016, 08:57 AM

Originally Posted by numbere

I realize everyone has different reactions to these drugs but I've never experienced DAWS from caber.

I think that caber, though great at reducing PRO, is a mild DA and at the doses we use on cycle DAWS isn't something to worry about when using caber.

Just my two cents, so take it for what it's worth.

Yeah also because caber can shutdown PRL by acting on peripheral receptors on pituitary, which is worth of note.

Originally Posted by Vincentino

I don't remember which thread I read it on... perhaps it was the one with all of the info on Tren in it. But there was a guy that took Caber just for the sexual health benefits of it, but when he came off he had terrible withdrawal from it. Said he was way worse off than before he took it. With all of the potential dangers/risks that come with AAS use, I definitely don't want to chance fucking something else up if I didn't absolutely need to take the risk.

He probably went for a dose high enough to trigger those issues. It's reasonable to expect withdrawals symptoms to be dose dependent, but just like numbere stated we shouldn't worry about them at the dosage needed to control tren /deca induced PRL elevation.

Originally Posted by Vincentino

I'll definitely get some as a just in case, but I'll hold off taking it unless I start having issues.

Well thought.

**Mr.BB** · 09-29-2016, 09:59 AM

I have taken caber at 1mg per week (and a bit more) without any symptoms whatsoever, except the sexual sides which were the objective

**ScotchGuard02** · 09-29-2016, 10:06 AM

I've run Tren /Test cycle in the past with/without Caber. Without Caber, I got minor gyno right towards the end of the cycle. I kept E2 in check and the gyno was very minor. It went away after 4 weeks. I wouldn't run another Tren cycle without caber. It's not the gyno that I'm worried about, it's the sexual sides. Man, I just have NO libido to speak of. I get wood all day long but I don't want to do anything with it. Weird, huh? Caber tends to even out my libido.

**hammerheart** · 09-29-2016, 10:41 AM

Talking about sides, I've started at 0.25 2x week and I'm getting light headaches and minor orthostatic hypotension. I also find it easier to fall asleep but it's a benefit for me. After a couple weeks I might try 1mg/week as well, then taper before discontinuing.

**Vincentino** · 09-29-2016, 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by numbere

Are you sure he was on caber and not prami?

Caber gives me no serial benefits, although sense of well being is slightly increased.

My loads my be bigger but you'd have to ask my girl.

Prami did make sex a bit better but discontinued used spending a night on my bathroom floor puking my face off.

To be honest you might be correct there, I might have just been mistaken. I know a lot of guys complain about hardcore sides with Prami until they get their dosages dialed in. Just seems like a lot of trouble to me if you don't absolutely need it, ya know?

**Vincentino** · 09-29-2016, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by ScotchGuard02

I've run Tren/Test cycle in the past with/without Caber. Without Caber, I got minor gyno right towards the end of the cycle. I kept E2 in check and the gyno was very minor. It went away after 4 weeks. I wouldn't run another Tren cycle without caber. It's not the gyno that I'm worried about, it's the sexual sides. Man, I just have NO libido to speak of. I get wood all day long but I don't want to do anything with it. Weird, huh? Caber tends to even out my libido.

I hAve definitely felt like that on Tren , and now that I know more about it than I did, I attribute that completely to the build in Prolactin. I'll definitely get Caber if I decided to try Tren again

**Vincentino** · 09-29-2016, 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by Mr.BB

I have taken caber at 1mg per week (and a bit more) without any symptoms whatsoever, except the sexual sides which were the objective

What exactly were your sides? What were the downsides to coming off?

**kelkel** · 09-29-2016, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by numbere

I realize everyone has different reactions to these drugs but I've never experienced DAWS from caber.

I think that caber, though great at reducing PRO, is a mild DA and at the doses we use on cycle DAWS isn't something to worry about when using caber.

Just my two cents, so take it for what it's worth.

Agreed. I ran it for years straight at .25 x 2 per week with zero negatives. I'm scripted it (still) and may hop back on in the near future as well.

**Mr.BB** · 09-29-2016, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by Vincentino

What exactly were your sides? What were the downsides to coming off?

Better and easier to achieve orgasms.

No downsides for me.

Numbere was mentioning maintaining prolactin at certain level, from my research they still havent found a use for prolactin in males, dont know where he was getting his info.

**numbere** · 09-29-2016, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by Mr.BB

Numbere was mentioning maintaining prolactin at certain level, from my research they still havent found a use for prolactin in males, dont know where he was getting his info.

I agree it's a way under studied hormone in men.

The point I was trying to make that too much or too little prolactin may cause sexual problems.

See the attachment in post number 3 and the one below.

Prolactin in Men

**Mr.BB** · 09-29-2016, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by numbere

I agree it's a way under studied hormone in men.

The point I was trying to make that too much or too little prolactin may cause sexual problems.

See the attachment in post number 3 and the one below.

Prolactin in Men

Sorry, still nothing scientific. But thats cool.

I've had 0 prolactin with no problems holding the load, of course also anedoctal evidence.

**numbere** · 09-29-2016, 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by Mr.BB

Sorry, still nothing scientific. But thats cool.

I've had 0 prolactin with no problems holding the load, of course also anedoctal evidence.

I'm afraid until some University bigwigs get their act together and approve some prolactin in men funding all we have is anecdotal evidence.

**kelkel** · 09-29-2016, 05:02 PM

At least we have something to blame for premature ejaculation......

not that it ever..........you know.

**hammerheart** · 09-29-2016, 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by Mr.BB

I have taken caber at 1mg per week (and a bit more) without any symptoms whatsoever, except the sexual sides which were the objective

It would be great to get those sides, it feels dead down there

**Mr.BB** · 09-29-2016, 06:01 PM

Originally Posted by bizzarro

It would be great to get those sides, it feels dead down there

Get some MT2 or PT141.

... and of course a girl with which you have chemistry.

**Vincentino** · 09-29-2016, 07:42 PM

Fucking hell, you guys are a wealth of knowledge lol

**hammerheart** · 09-29-2016, 10:57 PM

Originally Posted by Mr.BB

Get some MT2 or PT141.

Melanotan 2 might also help with my paleness...

**Chauffeur** · 09-30-2016, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by Vincentino

Alright. First things first, I've cycled Tren before (long ester), and I've cycled Deca before. Neither time did I use Caber or Prami or anything for Prolactin control. I never had any gyno issues or lactation, none of that.
I've been researching both compounds a lot lately since I'm wanting to run another cycle with Deca for its joint support properties.
Now, my question for everyone is: If I never had any issues before, do you feel like I'd even need to take one of those compounds? Does anyone else have a similar story where they didn't have any problemsuggestions but chose to run Caber or Prami anyways? What were your pros/cons?
Thanks in advance.

With a low dose of Deca it's not very likely that you'll see any significant increase in prolactin. Nothing wrong with keeping something around just in case you run into issues, but again, it would certainly be an anomaly for a guy to have issues with prolactin on a low dose of Nandrolone .

The most notable "con" of using Cabergoline, in my opinion, is the negative impact that it can have on GH/IGF-1 values. That's a pretty big con in my eyes, as that's not a hormone that I'm interested in lowering,