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    Something is wrong

    Man last weeks has been a pain in the ass. Everything was great since mars. Sarms then cycle the pct. But now, 2-3 weeks since pct i feel weak and fat and ligth.

    Emotionally ok, sexdrive ok, orgasme ok. But pump and strength totally missing.
    I quited mk677 last week and started cjc1995 and TB.

    Having bloods tuesday but im feedup. I dont want this. Im going back on. Starting sarms leftovers, Rad140 and ostarine, 3 weeks, then some 250 sus weeks before i start tren /dbol blasting.

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    How lean are you? How much Test you taking? Which Test you using?

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    You know what to expect - soon you will be joining the TRT bandwagon.

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    16% maybe. Not using test. 2 weeks since pct. Just started some peptides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bizzarro View Post
    You know what to expect - soon you will be joining the TRT bandwagon.
    guess your rigth :-(

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    Do you take cialis?

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    Quote Originally Posted by numbere View Post
    Do you take cialis?
    Not any more. Been on it 4 months straigth during cycle. But i dont have a libidoproblem.

    Something is wrong-luckyshot.jpg

    This is how i looked today with maximum chestpump. And it was a lucky shot also.

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    Your being too hard on your self man. Relax. It's the mental effect of being off. Wait to see what bloods say. You may still be shut down.

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    I would love to hear more experiences with SARMs ,
    but I believe the ones on the market now are shit.
    I don't think you should expect them to be any less supressive than AAS when used in any meaningful amount. I don't know that for sure though.

    Symptoms of low T and libido;
    Often there's a reduction in sex drive without a reduction in being able to get it up, although ED can happen too.
    But this is not a sure way to check test levels, as some people will have a high libido no matter what.

    If you don't want to end up on TRT I think now is the time to take a break from everything, just use somatropin, or peptides than increase GH secretion.
    And stay away from SARMs until your blood work, if you want any meaningful answer about how your HPTA functions.

    If you can't, then TRT is a matter of time, if it hasn't allready arrived.

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    Don't use ANYTHING nothing at all until you have blood work done so you have clear picture on what's happening, using peps and other shit before blood work your just not going to get a true reading. Its all in your head be strong and come off everything and get bloods done and see what your up against and then plan an attack
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    That might be a better answer,
    but if you can't, use somatropin, as it won't hurt your HPTA and will give you both psychological and physical aid if you just can't hack it going off everything.

    Ofcourse, if the bloodwork isn't just for checking HPTA function, then somatropin may affect other values as well, so best leave it alone.
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    And Sil, try not to beat yourself up.
    The pump might be a bit less, but you got muscles.
    If you drop your body fat a little you'd look far bigger.
    This isn't the time for being hard on yourself,
    you can be that on cycle instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marcus300 View Post
    Don't use ANYTHING nothing at all until you have blood work done so you have clear picture on what's happening, using peps and other shit before blood work your just not going to get a true reading. Its all in your head be strong and come off everything and get bloods done and see what your up against and then plan an attack
    Im sure its just low test. Hasnt been abusing anything. Started mars with some childish sarms . Then a cycle, 500 test, 300 deca for 11 weeks. And yeah, there was some 3 weeks 10 mg superdrol also in the beginning. Then pct. Liver and heart and the shit should be ok. And im feeling ok.

    I guess its just that i am in the 200-300. I run a long pct with plenty of extra nolva but i guess it did just mask my problem. Guess i was in the low 400 when i started in mars also.
    I had periods under 100 ng/dl and it wasnt that bad. A bit tired and impossible to gain muscles but everydaylife was fair enough.
    First 8 weeks after cycle have been great. I guess caused by 30 mg mk677 each day. But lately i guess the receptors for mk were bit fried and it couldnt make up for low testo anymore. And going off pct.

    Im doing bloods tuesday marcus, but why wait. I was planing on running 2-3 weeks with Rad140 and ostarine (leftovers) before injecting sus some weeks before the blast.
    I believe that Rad140 actually works and ostarine can be run without test when u use it. And a low test guy like me will feel like in the 5-600 again. Well, thats what i felt last time i used rad.

    I have already planned an attack. And i will stay with the plan. But i thaugth cjc1295 would stop the loss of strength and size. It didnt and the only thing which will do is AR stimulation.
    So i dropped 10 mg rad140 after my workout and will drop 25 mg ostarine before i go to bed. And continue with that protocol for 3 weeks. I guess it migth drop my test a bit before my bloods on tuesday but i know its low so fuk it. But i guess two days are not enough to destroy the cholestrol values.

    I know i promised to not do anything before my bloods, but a little ost/rad never killed anyone.

    And im sick of getting weaker and weaker. Its my turn now. I have never abused drugs. In your eyes all my cycles have been a cruise. Now its time for my first blast. The only thing which will stop me is bloodpressure and hct out of range. But i know BP is fine and there is no reason why hct should be 50+ now. Liver/kidneys are ok. Hdl migth be stil low but those pubmed reports saying aasworsened cholestrol is not dangerous, kind of stopped my cholestrol worries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DocToxin8 View Post
    Symptoms of low T and libido;
    Often there's a reduction in sex drive without a reduction in being able to get it up, although ED can happen too.
    But this is not a sure way to check test levels, as some people will have a high libido no matter what.

    If you don't want to end up on TRT I think now is the time to take a break from everything, just use somatropin, or peptides than increase GH secretion.
    And stay away from SARMs until your blood work, if you want any meaningful answer about how your HPTA functions.

    If you can't, then TRT is a matter of time, if it hasn't allready arrived.
    Good info. Agree on your hptapoint but 2 days with sarms will not mask my real testvalues that much i guess.

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    It's all guess work stop playing around and get blood work done clean. Otherwise your wasting your time and you might as well stay on cycle for every and destroy yourself. Have some motivation stay clean and get blood work done there is no other answer except low motivation and lack of education

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    Quote Originally Posted by marcus300 View Post
    It's all guess work stop playing around and get blood work done clean. Otherwise your wasting your time and you might as well stay on cycle for every and destroy yourself. Have some motivation stay clean and get blood work done there is no other answer except low motivation and lack of education
    Agree. That is what i would say to another member describing the same problem as i did.
    The lab is open tomorrow also and i could drop in and do my rad/ost daily dose after the bloodtest.
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    I'm on week 10 Tes e first cycle

    and actually feel no fully pump. I sleep at 4.30 AM everyday. Maybe this is normal because i sleep less and sometime when i get cold i feel my muscle is being smaller =.=

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    I imagine it's a withdrawal of sorts which is expected. I can't speak for sure since I never cycled but I Imagine that if you dose your body with something performance enhancing and fall off that you will feel the lack of whatever it amped up to begin with. Go all natural baby. Gain mass from them huge Viking feast you have up north over there

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    Starting PCT and stopping MK-677 and Cialis around the same time just sounds like a recipe for disaster.

    Starting Sarms right now would just be a potential disaster man. Leave that shit alone and get bloods done.

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    stop the cjc for ladies as well. you are not using those peptides correctly according to sticky big man
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbypump View Post
    stop the cjc for ladies as well. you are not using those peptides correctly according to sticky big man
    Most say cjc two times a week and 1 mg is a good beginner dose. Also uses tb500 2.5 g twice which is equal to most suggestions.
    Source has one of the best ratings.

    I suspect quiting tons of bcaa's and expensive whey isolate powders in order so save some bucks migth be a factor aswell.
    So i will visit the shop today and start my precycle sarmsstack after the bloodtest. Continue peptides. And possible start cardarine. Would be nice to see 14% before the SBC, but doing cardio two times aday is not my cup of tea. But first i will drop salt and saturated fat six days a weak. Plenty of time left. The blast starts 15 november.

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    Sil, your testosterone has probably not recovered, sarms will only make it worse, and you are using peptides advised for women (except TB500).

    The first stage of low T is low muscle stamina and lack of pump, you will still have strenght and some fullness if enough carbs. Next stage will be mental focus, depression and lack well-being. Sexual sides are many times the last, although of course libido is not same as before, its very gradual decline if one keeps having regular sex. With time it will get to erectile dysfunction, I would not let it get that far cause then, it might be the last to resolve it self once on TRT.

    You need to stop thinking about this sarms and peptides, and concentrate on getting yourself on TRT.

    Let me know if you need help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.BB View Post
    Sil, your testosterone has probably not recovered, sarms will only make it worse, and you are using peptides advised for women (except TB500).

    The first stage of low T is low muscle stamina and lack of pump, you will still have strenght and some fullness if enough carbs. Next stage will be mental focus, depression and lack well-being. Sexual sides are many times the last, although of course libido is not same as before, its very gradual decline if one keeps having regular sex. With time it will get to erectile dysfunction, I would not let it get that far cause then, it might be the last to resolve it self once on TRT.

    You need to stop thinking about this sarms and peptides, and concentrate on getting yourself on TRT.

    Let me know if you need help.

    It took myself more than a year for low libido to progress into ED, and then genital anesthesia. Dick felt like wasn't there FFS

    However it's the TRT for the most part that impacted muscle strength, stamina and lack of pump...

    @Sila: you dropped the peptides and sarms only last week so it's logic to assume you are still shutdown, stay off everything and give it time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silabolin
    Man last weeks has been a pain in the ass. Everything was great since mars. Sarms then cycle the pct. But now, 2-3 weeks since pct i feel weak and fat and ligth. Emotionally ok, sexdrive ok, orgasme ok. But pump and strength totally missing. I quited mk677 last week and started cjc1995 and TB. Having bloods tuesday but im feedup. I dont want this. Im going back on. Starting sarms leftovers, Rad140 and ostarine, 3 weeks, then some 250 sus weeks before i start tren/dbol blasting.
    You need to wait six weeks after PCT to get bloodwork.
    The PCT meds are still in your system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog View Post
    You need to wait six weeks after PCT to get bloodwork.
    The PCT meds are still in your system.
    I know but i dont have six weeks. Im trusting the old rule, if you feel ok you probably are ok.

    Only values im interesting in is hct and total test. But i know my hpta is fried and i got the name of a doc at the gym today from a guy on testogel which gives him 650.
    Im 45 you know and even nattis at 45+ need a bit trt to be in the 6-700. Not the end of the world anymore.

    Started rad 140 and ostarine yesterday, did bloodwork today and another dose of rad 140 before workout. Also started cardarine today.
    And man, my problemes seems to have dissapeared already. Today i had a nice pump, looked thicker and leaner and the mood was great. Put on a tank and when i flashed it in the mirror, i was real satisfied.

    So why?..cjc kicking in, tb500?, finally my own hpta is improving?...well, i think its the two doses of rad140. And 10 mg cardarine before workout.
    To back up todays main workout level i restarted whey/casein powder and bcaa, which i have dropped the last 3 weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silabolin
    I know but i dont have six weeks. Im trusting the old rule, if you feel ok you probably are ok. Only values im interesting in is hct and total test. But i know my hpta is fried and i got the name of a doc at the gym today from a guy on testogel which gives him 650. Im 45 you know and even nattis at 45+ need a bit trt to be in the 6-700. Not the end of the world anymore. Started rad 140 and ostarine yesterday, did bloodwork today and another dose of rad 140 before workout. Also started cardarine today. And man, my problemes seems to have dissapeared already. Today i had a nice pump, looked thicker and leaner and the mood was great. Put on a tank and when i flashed it in the mirror, i was real satisfied. So why?..cjc kicking in, tb500?, finally my own hpta is improving?...well, i think its the two doses of rad140. And 10 mg cardarine before workout. To back up todays main workout level i restarted whey/casein powder and bcaa, which i have dropped the last 3 weeks.
    No offense but I think you take so many random drugs that you can have no idea what is causing what.
    I think that feeling better after one day of shots is totally in your head. Placebo effect.

    Your HPTA can't be improving the day after you injected suppressing drugs.

    I really think you would be much better off and richer if you kept your cycles simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog View Post
    No offense but I think you take so many random drugs that you can have no idea what is causing what.
    I think that feeling better after one day of shots is totally in your head. Placebo effect.

    Your HPTA can't be improving the day after you injected suppressing drugs.

    I really think you would be much better off and richer if you kept your cycles simple.
    It isnt that complex:

    TB500 for my pecinjuri.
    At our level we should stack with some sort of gh releasing drug. Just run mk766 before, so i start with the simplest, cjc1295.
    My studies at the time beein say Cardarine at low dose is pretty safe. I run 10 mg and it works, no question. Stamina, fatloss and cardiovaskular health.

    And i do a little 3 weeks sarms bridge before i start the aas. To help in fatloss and gain some muscles. Rad140 has worked before and a little ostarine couldnt do much damage.

    My CBS is complex and hard but its only 6 weeks with start 15 november. And i will run 2-3 weeks with 250 sus in front.

    I have lost my faith in 12 weeks 500 test e and 10 weeks 300 tren e/300 deca . Its simpler to understand and looks good at the paper but its easy for the body to handle that cycle.
    No, we need to make it hard for the body to adapt. (Rich Piana). And thats what im gonna do.

    But i respect your opinion and every feedback i put in the back of my head for further studies.
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    I have no personal experience with SARMs , but if I were you,
    I'd replace all SARMs with real steroids and rather do GH releasing drugs if you can't stay away from research chemicals.
    Keep in mind that all the SARMs on the market are research chemicals, which probably mean that compared to AAS (from even the average UGL) would be purer, and maybe safer. I don't know, but its my opinion.

    When I use research chemicals it has to be for a good reason.
    I also think there's a difference between "regular" drugs like anastrozole sold as a research chemical and drugs that aren't used in medicine.
    Somebody with more intimate knowledge about this could perhaps chime in.

    So if I were to use research chemicals not used in medicine, it would have to be the GH releasing agents, as they do something else than AAS.

    Not saying you should do any of this yet, but it might be something to think about for future use.
    I'm sure others with more experience with the compounds you use could chime in on this.

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