New here. A little help?

**Ryman12** · 10-09-2016, 01:19 PM

Hi all,

Just started sus 250. 2ml per week. Split into half. Monday's Thursday's. Only have 10ml. Also have 10ml test e. All I have on hand so all I'm working with. When should I start the test e??

Also, don't have access to pct over here (New Zealand). So to get my test levels back up quicker I will buy a natural test booster from health shop. Fingers crossed I get no sides I guess. Thoughts??

**Stevebeginner** · 10-09-2016, 01:59 PM

Is this your first cycle?

**Ryman12** · 10-09-2016, 02:03 PM

Basically yeah. Done sus 250 last year. Just 10ml 1ml a week. It helped strength wise dramatically. My first first time I was in prison. Worked on the pig farm so my mate could drop things off. I got a vial of deca .. had a scorpion on label. I know I should have brought 2 sustanons or 2 test e vials but didn't realise when it was in front of me

**Ryman12** · 10-09-2016, 04:45 PM

So no one can tell me when to start using the test e? Maybe on my next due shot after last shot of sustanon ???

**Ryman12** · 10-09-2016, 04:46 PM

Also I have no anti estrogen available. Keeping 500mg extra test p.w should be fine or??

**Mr.BB** · 10-09-2016, 04:52 PM

If you don't have access to the ancillaries needed then just better to forget about the whole thing before you hurt yourself.

OTC test boosters are useless, as are any OTC anti estrogen.

**CrossOps** · 10-09-2016, 05:26 PM

I am brand new here and haven't cycled before and I even I know to have my diet #1, training #2, and ALL TRT Meds #3 in order prior.

**Scorpion0922** · 10-09-2016, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by Ryman12

Hi all,

Just started sus 250. 2ml per week. Split into half. Monday's Thursday's. Only have 10ml. Also have 10ml test e. All I have on hand so all I'm working with. When should I start the test e??

Also, don't have access to pct over here (New Zealand). So to get my test levels back up quicker I will buy a natural test booster from health shop. Fingers crossed I get no sides I guess. Thoughts??

Thoughts are that you need to stop. IMMEDIATELY.

Why are you trying to run Sust and Eth @ the same time?

No 1 is going to contribute to this train wreck of a "no AI, no PCT cycle"

This is 1 of the most irresponsible and reckless posts I've seen in 9 years of being on these boards.

Sound harsh?

You pissed off...mate????

Good.

If I save you a shit ton of long term damage to your body, balls, and mind then you can hate me FOREVER.

**Ryman12** · 10-09-2016, 05:37 PM

Train hard. Eat well. Rest well. is what I've been taught and how I live. I'm not looking to be an arny swartzernager (however it's spelt). If I feel like chocolate I'll eat chocolate etc etc. Enjoy life lol. It's too short. The test is to give me a boost. I ran the sus last year without issue. Just almost doubled my weights I could push. I'm upping the test too 500mg a week this time though.

Still no one has answered my question.

**Ryman12** · 10-09-2016, 05:52 PM

Nah not passed off..... mate

Can I run the t/e after sus has ran out?? To maintain higher test levels?? I've read and read and...

On other places says run sus first another place says t/e first. But commonly said is it's pointless having them together as one.. which is what the guy got them off said to do.

Last year on sus .. the only side I got was coming off it and my (bed) drive dropped. Stiffness problems. Not too bad but the doc gave me V'z.. and I'm sweet now

**The Deadlifting Dog** · 10-09-2016, 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by Ryman12

So no one can tell me when to start using the test e? Maybe on my next due shot after last shot of sustanon???

I'll answer your question.
Just start the test E after you finish your sust.

Now for my fatherly advice...
You are going to do more harm than good.
You are going to get some short term gains.
You won't be able to keep them since you have no access to real PCT meds.
You will very likely in six months be weaker than you are now.

Good luck.

**Ryman12** · 10-09-2016, 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog

I'll answer your question.
Just start the test E after you finish your sust.

Now for my fatherly advice...
You are going to do more harm than good.
You are going to get some short term gains.
You won't be able to keep them since you have no access to real PCT meds.
You will very likely in six months be weaker than you are now.

Good luck.

Thankyou!!! And Thankyou for the fartherly advice. What I needed to hear. Sometimes it isn't WHAT one says it's HOW it's said

**Ryman12** · 10-09-2016, 06:12 PM

And now I understand what pct is more for. To keep the gains.. I need to speak to my guy and really push for the stuff needed. Anything my doctor could help with?? She's really good..

**Ryman12** · 10-10-2016, 12:32 AM

Update.. I've decided (not easy!) Too stop the sus. Lucky I only just started. Pct is really important I've learnt. Also need to drop body fat. Fuckn love chocolate and fizzy drink too. Thanks all for help

**DocToxin8** · 10-10-2016, 04:45 AM

Originally Posted by Ryman12

Update.. I've decided (not easy!) Too stop the sus. Lucky I only just started. Pct is really important I've learnt. Also need to drop body fat. Fuckn love chocolate and fizzy drink too. Thanks all for help

Wow.... You actually listened. I'm impressed.
And read about AI/Aromatase Inhibtors (like anastrozole / arimidex ) as well.
You got away with using Test without it before, but now you're not only gonna repeat the process, you're gonna up the dose, and such will produce more estrogen as well, increasing the chance for gyno.

**Strongblood** · 10-10-2016, 08:01 AM

Originally Posted by Ryman12

And now I understand what pct is more for. To keep the gains.. I need to speak to my guy and really push for the stuff needed. Anything my doctor could help with?? She's really good..

Your doctor can help you tremendously Ryman12! If she's cool, let her draw bloods that include an sensitive estradiol test. When she sees you have high estrogen, maybe she will prescribe you some Arimidex . Problem solved! If not, then you do need to really press your buddy into getting you an AI of some sort. Good luck bro!

**songdog** · 10-10-2016, 11:21 AM

The harm will come down the road maybe as long as 10 yrs.So just beacuse you feel fine now dont mean nothing.You came here to ask for advice and it was given.We here only want to see guys like yourself do things in the safest way possible.Now I am sure if you look on the net long enough you will find some whack job who dont know nothing to say go a head you will be fine.But you wont find it here.Good luck!

**Ryman12** · 10-10-2016, 12:32 PM

Yeah I listened. I'm not normally one to listen either. Thanks heaps aye. Yeah I've looked into them properly now. I see how important it is. I've got an appointment this week at doc and I'll ask her. I'll update on what is said.

Even then I won't begin again on cycle. Need to drop body fat first after further research. Thanks again heaps. Saved me a lot of potential harm!!!!!

**Scorpion0922** · 10-10-2016, 08:51 PM

You made my day by putting this on the side for now. Well done.

**Ryman12** · 10-12-2016, 04:01 PM

Well docs tomorrow morning. I have noticed in a week my gut has gotten bigger.. Just sorta popped out. My partner noticed it too. What's up with that?? Like I'm bloated or something

**Ryman12** · 10-12-2016, 04:01 PM

Also.. How do I put profile pic up? Can't get into 'my profile'

**Cuz** · 10-12-2016, 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by Ryman12

Also.. How do I put profile pic up? Can't get into 'my profile'

From computer version
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**Ryman12** · 10-13-2016, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by Cuz

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Thankyou. Got it now

**Ryman12** · 10-13-2016, 08:35 PM

Ok.. been to doctor. Not very helpful. She'll do test on test levels in 2-3months. If low I can go on medical test pills. She doesn't do high estrogen level stuff. Armidex. She doesn't see any bad things by having too low test or too high estrogen from a medical point of view. Bullshit is what that is