PH on hand help?? Should I run cycle or??

[Lionhearted12]

I'm looking help on what i should do..
I have a few pre ban prohormone on hand 1 alphas labs mass plexx 2 assault lab Tren attack and 2 vital labs epi 2a3a... I got these for a fair price and was gonna run the mass plexx with pct with sarm GW to finish my bulk then time off run the Tren attack and epi to cut up....part of me wants to do a legit sarm cycle to bulk then take time off and get cut stack cuz there less sides and shutdown form them... But I already have the PH I have and have a what I need for OCS and PCT... I want others info to see should I sell my current PH on hand and get a sarm stack or should I just run what I have?? On a sarm forum they all tell me too sell then and run sarms but Wants other none 1sides option.... Thanks

[zenvost1]

As I know ph are weaker than AAS and has more sides than AAS imo are not worth to use them.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Dump them in the trash.

Also, you would need a real PCT of nolva and clomid if you were to use them.

[songdog]

Trash them! x2

[Lionhearted12]

I got the nova and Clomid for pct .... If you guys thinks it not even worth to run it then that's it .... I rather PH's sasquatch DNA mammoth DNA before and got good result not really any sides but I did OTS and Pct right .. But with Sarms out and Easyier for me to get I've Been leaning that way

[numbere]

The members on that SARMs board are trying to sell you snake oil.

Both PHs and SARMs are a waste.

Imo toss everything and chalk any revenue loss up to experience.

You may be ready for a test cycle.

What are your stats and training experience?

[Lionhearted12]

Stats 25 Yo 6'1" 205lb 12% BF (bulking right now) body Type meso ... Bench 335 squat 405 deadlift 535 Ohp 235..... Training has been 4 year last year has been powerlifting .... I've thought about test cuz after 4 years and my Strength I got a good foundation and Knowlege

[Juced_porkchop]

I wouldent say they are worthless but they are deff over hyped.
and SARMS CAUSE SHUTDOWN, oral PH is liver toxic and also cause shutdown plus harsh on bloods. also dont do any cycle without a test base.

so what to do?
when you are ready to do a safe effective cycle ass one of them as an oral to your cycle is my rec.
eg. 12-14 weeks of 400-500mg teste ew and add 4-6 weeks of one of the orals or sarms. use an AI during cycle and have PCT ready.

[DocToxin8]

Some of the oral PHs are basically AAS, so using them as an oral in a test cycle makes sense.
There's the traditional view that the first cycle is nice to do test only, to learn how to react to that. (+ancillaries ofcourse)
But doing an oral part of the cycle when you've got previous experience with PHs, well, I'm somewhat torn on this issue.
I can see benefits both ways.

[DocToxin8]

Take into account I've never touched a SARM or a PH though, I just thought some PHs (or know some to be) could be likened to an oral AAS.
Superdrol is an AAS f.ex.

[numbere]

Stats 25 Yo 6'1" 205lb 12% BF (bulking right now) body Type meso ... Bench 335 squat 405 deadlift 535 Ohp 235..... Training has been 4 year last year has been powerlifting .... I've thought about test cuz after 4 years and my Strength I got a good foundation and Knowlege

You have some nice stats.

If you haven't already then you should read the attached thread below.

If I were in your position then I would get rid of the PHs and run a test only cycle following the guidelines in the attached thread.

You'd also benefit from creating a thread in the diet and nutrition section so members can critique your diet.

Whether you realize it or not everyone has room for improvement in their diet.

My First Cycle: Planning and Executing a Successful First Cycle

[AR's King Silabolin]

The members on that SARMs board are trying to sell you snake oil.

Both PHs and SARMs are a waste.

Imo toss everything and chalk any revenue loss up to experience.

You may be ready for a test cycle.

What are your stats and training experience?

His GW isnt a SARM. Doesnt come close the AR.

[DocToxin8]

Ok, if the GW is a peptide GH releaser then use it as such,
I don't know what it is. But it isn't something I'd recommend him use now.

It's like some of the PHs, yes they actually do something, but you don't use them to cycle, might as well do a DBOL only cycle then.
But I'm not discounting the possibility to include them in a later cycle.

The GW stuff I've heard about is either GH releasers or PPAR activators.
In either case unsuitable as cycle base compounds, and I'm not so sure they're useful for much at all until I get some more knowledge about them.

[numbere]

His GW isnt a SARM. Doesnt come close the AR.

You're really getting into semantics. GW is still totally unsafe.

In either case unsuitable as cycle base compounds, and I'm not so sure they're useful for much at all until I get some more knowledge about them.

Good is a PPAR modulator. It's totally unsafe for the average person because it causes cancer.

Females - gw50516 (cardarine)

[DocToxin8]

Oh, it's cardarine or "endurobol", no I wouldn't touch that.
I get my PPAR activation from my ACE inhibtor, while much milder, it's also healthy and proven by a lot of studies.
Not that I recommend anyone to use an ACE inhibtor as a supplement either.
But it's great for those who tolerate it and wants to prevent BP rise with AAS.
(There's a ton of different ACE Inhibtors also, and while most seem to be different mostly in pharmacodynamics, it might be more to it)

Ok, that was totally of topic and don't ever use something I do without much research about it first. And PM me if you're wondering also, but don't take my word for anything more than the opinion it is.