High Estrogen Levels

[JDToronto]

Hi, I'm confused on what I should take to control estrogen. My levels are very high as I should be on AI's at the same time as I'm on Test 300mg/week and Dec 300mg/week and Dbol 30mg ED. I was on Anavar but have been told to get off it ASAP, no longer on it.

So which AI should I be on? Arimidex ? Aromasin ? Someone told me to go on Caber, but it's expensive. Please help. And how much each? So far the Prolactin is within level. I get blood work done weekly to monitor liver and others.

Stats: 41, 6ft, 230, 18% fat or lower don't know exactly as accurate levels cannot be obtained. Yes, I need to lower the fat %.

[RigPig]

Hi, I'm confused on what I should take to control estrogen. My levels are very high as I should be on AI's at the same time as I'm on Test 300mg/week and Dec 300mg/week and Dbol 30mg ED. I was on Anavar but have been told to get off it ASAP, no longer on it. So which AI should I be on? Arimidex ? Aromasin ? Someone told me to go on Caber, but it's expensive. Please help. And how much each? So far the Prolactin is within level. I get blood work done weekly to monitor liver and others. Stats: 41, 6ft, 230, 18% fat or lower don't know exactly as accurate levels cannot be obtained. Yes, I need to lower the fat %.

What is your Estrogen currently at? How about post up a copy of your bloods with all your personal info edited out so we can have a look. Realistically 6.25mg/day for Aromasin or .25mg E3D of adex would be a good starting point. Is this your first cycle? Why did you chose those doses? Are you on TRT when not on cycle?

[Strongblood]

Agree^^^^^^. 0.25mgs Arimidex every other day. Check your estrogen level with your first blood work after starting the Arimidex and adjust accordingly. Good luck!

[JDToronto]

I'm in Canada, so the measurements are different than the USA. Here they are; The cholesterol is only high because I didn't fast prior to test, I was not advised, next test I'll try to.

Hematology
WBC
6.4
Ref:4.0 - 11.0 x E9/L

RBC
5.14
Ref: 4.50 - 6.00 x E12/L

Hemoglobin
151
Ref: 135 - 175 g/L

Hematocrit
0.437
Ref: 0.400 - 0.500 L/L
MCV
85
Ref: 80 - 100fL

MCH
29.4
Ref: 27.5 - 33.0 pg

MCHC
346
Ref: 305 - 360 g/L

Platelets
285
Ref: 150 - 400 x E9/L

RDW
13.8
Ref: 11.5 - 14.5%

Differential
Neutrophils
3.3
Ref: 2.0 - 7.5 x E9/L

Lymphocytes
2.3
Ref:1.0 - 3.5 x E9/L

Monocytes
0.6
Ref:0.2 - 1.0x E9/L

Eosinophils
0.2
Ref:0.0 - 0.5x E9/L

Basophils
0.1
Ref:0.0 - 0.2x E9/L

General Chemistry
Glucose Random
4.7
Ref:3.3-7.8 mmol/L

Sodium
136
Ref:135-146 mmol/L

Potassium
4.5
Ref:3.5-5.2 mmol/L

Chloride
99
Ref:95-108 mmol/L

Creatinine
90
Ref:60-127 umol/L

Glomerular Filtration Rate (eGFR)
91
Normal eGFR is described as greater than or equal
to 90 ml/min/1.73 m2.

For patients of African descent, the reported
eGFR must be multiplied by 1.15.

eGFR is calculated using the CKD-EPI 2009
equation.

Urate
225
Ref:180-450 umol/L

Albumin
45
Ref:35 - 50g/L

Bilirubin Total
8
Ref:3-18 umol/L

Alkaline Phosphatase
47
Ref:30-110 U/L

Alanine Aminotransferase
HI
56
Ref:4-43 U/L

Muscle Enzymes
Creatine Kinase
HI
379
Ref: BELOW 210 U/L

Lipids
Hours After Meal
2
Hours

Triglyceride
HI
1.89
TARGET <1.71
mmol/L
Cholesterol
3.89
TARGET<5.20
mmol/L
HDL Cholesterol
LO
1.01
TARGET>1.29
mmol/L
Non HDL Cholesterol
2.88
See Targets
mmol/L
Non HDL-Cholesterol is calculated from Total
Cholesterol and HDL-c and is not affected by
the fasting status of the patient.
LDL Cholesterol
2.02
See Targets
mmol/L
LDL-C calculation is decreased if fasting
< or = 10 hours. Consider the Non HDL-C value as
an alternate lipid target if monitoring treatment
in intermediate or high risk patients.
Cholesterol/HDL Cholesterol
3.9
Cholesterol/HDL-C is not included in the 2012 CCS
guideline as a lipid initiation or treatment
target but is recognized as an indicator of high
CVD risk at Cholesterol/HDL-C ratio >6.0
Lipid Target Values
Lipid Target Values should be based on patient
10 year CVD risk assessment. 2012 revised
treatment goals include:

High or Intermediate CVD risk
-----------------------------------------------
Primary LDL-C < or = 2.0 mmol/L OR
Tx target > or = 50% decrease in LDL-C

Alternate Non HDL-C < or = 2.6 mmol/L OR
Tx target ApoB < or = 0.8 g/L
-----------------------------------------------
Low CVD risk
-----------------------------------------------
Primary > or = 50% decrease in LDL-C
Tx target
Thyroid Function
Thyroid Stimulating Hormone [TSH]
3.16
0.30-5.60
mIU/L
The presence of heterophilic antibodies and/or
macro-TSH may result in falsely elevated TSH
results. It is recommended that TSH results be
interpreted in combination with other thyroid
hormone values, patient history and clinical
presentation.
Pituitary Function
Luteinizing Hormone [LH]
LO
<^0.2
1.2-8.6
IU/L

Prolactin
8.5
Ref:2.6 - 13.1 ug/L

Reproductive and Gonadal
Estradiol
HI
335
Ref: 0-172 pmol/L

NOTE: Estrogen receptor antagonists have been
shown to interfere with estradiol testing by
some immunoassay technologies resulting in
falsely elevated estradiol concentrations.
Some ********* aromatase inhibitors are
structurally related to estradiol and may
interfere with some direct immunoassays.
Please interpret results for patients taking
these medications with caution.
Dehydroepiandrosterone [DHEA-S]
8.1
0.05-14.0
umol/L
Testosterone
HI
30.2
Ref:6.0-27.0
nmol/L
Testosterone Free
HI
1039
Ref: 196-636 pmol/L
Interpret free testosterone results with caution
in presence of significant hypoalbuminemia.

[JDToronto]

My first cycle was just Test Enth very low doses. Then I introduced Deca and Dbol just 2 weeks ago. I'm gonna change the Deca the Acetate version probably. I'm only doing low doses, I don't want to kill my body with high doses. I'm already causing damage I think.

[RigPig]

My first cycle was just Test Enth very low doses. Then I introduced Deca and Dbol just 2 weeks ago. I'm gonna change the Deca the Acetate version probably. I'm only doing low doses, I don't want to kill my body with high doses. I'm already causing damage I think.

Definitely get your Estrogen in check. Start with my above mentioned and check you blood in a week or two at that dose..

[numbere]

Imo you should drop the dbol until you get your e2 in control.

Using dbol and a 19 nor while having elevated e2 is asking for trouble.

It also seems like your test is under dosed.

Edit: Sorry mate I was typing while on the subway and meant to say drop the deca until you get your e2 straightened out. When using a 19 nor in the presence of high e2 prolactin may begin to elevate.

[JDToronto]

Thanx all, you guys are awesome, no attitude like the other board, website. I'll get a hold of an AI ASAP.

[RigPig]

Thanx all, you guys are awesome, no attitude like the other board, website. I'll get a hold of an AI ASAP.

Who's Test are you running? Not the supplier, just the lab/brand. I'm Canadian too. Just curious if you using a reputable domestic lab?

[JDToronto]

Teragon.co

[numbere]

Teragon is a Canadian lab that uses Russian raws, right?

[JDToronto]

Probably, I'm new to this, so I don't know. But it's legit and my blood results show it. There's a cheap brand of Dbol that I think is not good, comes in pink hearts from Thailand.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Imo you should drop the dbol until you get your e2 in control. Using dbol and a 19 nor while having elevated e2 is asking for trouble. It also seems like your test is under dosed. Edit: Sorry mate I was typing while on the subway and meant to say drop the deca until you get your e2 straightened out. When using a 19 nor in the presence of high e2 prolactin may begin to elevate.

I would agree that your test is underdosed.
Your test is just above the top of the range but you are taking 300 mg/week.
Should probably be higher

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Your estrogen is high because of the d-bol.
Drop the d-bol.

[JDToronto]

Yea, I did my blood tests 6 days after starting the Dbol and Deca . I think it's both. I should be getting my Ai in a couple of days.

[AR's King Silabolin]

Caber isnt that expensive. You migth do ok with half a tbl each week. I did with deca 300.

[Mr.BB]

If its your first cycle its advised to use test only anyways.

Plus, deca is a difficult compound to recover from, if you are not on trt and have no intentions to ever be on trt you should avoid it.

[JDToronto]

If its your first cycle its advised to use test only anyways.

Plus, deca is a difficult compound to recover from, if you are not on trt and have no intentions to ever be on trt you should avoid it.

Oh, first time I've heard that, then what should I use then? Tren ?

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Oh, first time I've heard that, then what should I use then? Tren?

Just test.

[Mr.BB]

Just test.

This ^^^

Have you read this yet? My First Cycle: Planning and Executing a Successful First Cycle

[JDToronto]

yes, ty, I've already been using Test Enth for a awhile now, I want to take it a notch higher.