First Cycle-Seeking Help

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10-29-2016, 02:02 PM
Kaido

First Cycle-Seeking Help

I am looking to get some advice on my first cycle. I am a pro fighter that will be off competition and testing until June.
I want to get on a good cycle to build strength and muscle on the right places so that I don’t have to worry about strength anymore, focusing more on technique and conditioning after I start competing again.

I know that some of my gains will be lost when I get off, but I am pretty sure the new myonuclei will stick around for basically forever giving me permanent benefits so please don’t try to convince me that they won’t help a fighter.

My stats are:
Male, 24 years old, 6’1’’ tall, 170lbs, 8% body fat.

I have been training in martial arts for 7 years and also strength training for all those years but only for around 4 months every year when I took time off competing. I squat 365, do pull ups with added 110lbs and prior to my current injury I benched and power cleaned 265. I am not advanced but I believe I am not a novice either.

My injury history is quite long so I will only tell you about the one that is bothering me now which is a 2nd grade ac joint separation on my right shoulder.

Here are the two options I thought for a first cycle:

Option A

It’s the cycle layout from austinite’s post about beginners:
Week 1 to 12: Test E @ 250 mg every 3.5 days (500mg/week total)
Week 1 to 12: hCG @ 250 iu every 3.5 days (500 iu/week total)
Week 1 to 14: Adex @ 0.25mg every other day (From day 2 up until PCT starts)

PCT: Clomid @ 75/50/50/50 & Nolva @ 40/20/20/20
Liver Support: 600 mg of N-Acetyl Cysteine (NAC) daily

Option B

If I choose the first option I will do only one cycle all this time. If I take time off and then do another cycle It will catch up to the time I will be competing and I might get caught. The alternative plan I made is to prolong option A so I will be on for a longer period.

Week 1 to 12: Test E @ 125 mg every 3.5 days (250mg/week total)
Week 1 to 12: hCG @ 125 iu every 3.5 days (250 iu/week total)
Week 1 to 12: Adex @ 0.25mg every other day (From day 2 up until PCT starts) Week 13 to 24: Test E @ 250 mg every 3.5 days (500mg/week total)
Week 13 to 24: hCG @ 250 iu every 3.5 days (500 iu/week total)
Week 13 to 26: Adex @ 0.25mg every other day (From day 2 up until PCT starts)

PCT: Clomid @ 75/50/50/50 & Nolva @ 40/20/20/20
Liver Support: 600 mg of N-Acetyl Cysteine (NAC) daily

My questions are:
-I had pubertal gyno which went away on its own. Am I safe with Adex or I should take something else?

-I also have back acne so cycling will make it possibly worse. Should I run low dose Accutane or it is a bad idea?

-In option B, at the first 12 weeks, should I cut Adex also in half?

-Is it a very bad idea to not run hCG? I have access to everything in pharma grade except hCG. I don't want to buy from someone I don't know and end up getting something fake.

-And last one but maybe the most important, does anyone have a better cycle suggestion for my case?

Anyone who believes that can help, feel free to give suggestions and comments, I look forward to your advice.
10-29-2016, 02:06 PM
Couchlock

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaido

I am looking to get some advice on my first cycle. I am a pro fighter that will be off competition and testing until June.
I want to get on a good cycle to build strength and muscle on the right places so that I don’t have to worry about strength anymore, focusing more on technique and conditioning after I start competing again.

I know that some of my gains will be lost when I get off, but I am pretty sure the new myonuclei will stick around for basically forever giving me permanent benefits so please don’t try to convince me that they won’t help a fighter.

My stats are:
Male, 24 years old, 6’1’’ tall, 170lbs, 8% body fat.

I have been training in martial arts for 7 years and also strength training for all those years but only for around 4 months every year when I took time off competing. I squat 365, do pull ups with added 110lbs and prior to my current injury I benched and power cleaned 265. I am not advanced but I believe I am not a novice either.

My injury history is quite long so I will only tell you about the one that is bothering me now which is a 2nd grade ac joint separation on my right shoulder.

Here are the two options I thought for a first cycle:

Option A

It’s the cycle layout from austinite’s post about beginners:
Week 1 to 12: Test E @ 250 mg every 3.5 days (500mg/week total)
Week 1 to 12: hCG @ 250 iu every 3.5 days (500 iu/week total)
Week 1 to 14: Adex @ 0.25mg every other day (From day 2 up until PCT starts)

PCT: Clomid @ 75/50/50/50 & Nolva @ 40/20/20/20
Liver Support: 600 mg of N-Acetyl Cysteine (NAC) daily

Option B

If I choose the first option I will do only one cycle all this time. If I take time off and then do another cycle It will catch up to the time I will be competing and I might get caught. The alternative plan I made is to prolong option A so I will be on for a longer period.

Week 1 to 12: Test E @ 125 mg every 3.5 days (250mg/week total)
Week 1 to 12: hCG @ 125 iu every 3.5 days (250 iu/week total)
Week 1 to 12: Adex @ 0.25mg every other day (From day 2 up until PCT starts) Week 13 to 24: Test E @ 250 mg every 3.5 days (500mg/week total)
Week 13 to 24: hCG @ 250 iu every 3.5 days (500 iu/week total)
Week 13 to 26: Adex @ 0.25mg every other day (From day 2 up until PCT starts)

PCT: Clomid @ 75/50/50/50 & Nolva @ 40/20/20/20
Liver Support: 600 mg of N-Acetyl Cysteine (NAC) daily

My questions are:
-I had pubertal gyno which went away on its own. Am I safe with Adex or I should take something else?

-I also have back acne so cycling will make it possibly worse. Should I run low dose Accutane or it is a bad idea?

-In option B, at the first 12 weeks, should I cut Adex also in half?

-Is it a very bad idea to not run hCG? I have access to everything in pharma grade except hCG. I don't want to buy from someone I don't know and end up getting something fake.

-And last one but maybe the most important, does anyone have a better cycle suggestion for my case?

Anyone who believes that can help, feel free to give suggestions and comments, I look forward to your advice.

Option A , all the way.

110lb added to pull ups, your a bad mother...

Option A because you should, SHOULD bounce back recovery wise with only 14 weeks of suppression.

24+ weeks suppressed , you may very well not bounce back

Adex will be determined by bloods.
10-29-2016, 02:11 PM
OdinsOtherSon

You need to increase that NAC dose to 1800mg/day, divided into 3 separate doses. Take each dose with 2x that amount of vitamin C.
10-29-2016, 03:44 PM
Kaido

Quote:

Originally Posted by Couchlockd

Option A , all the way.

110lb added to pull ups, your a bad mother...

Option A because you should, SHOULD bounce back recovery wise with only 14 weeks of suppression.

24+ weeks suppressed , you may very well not bounce back

Adex will be determined by bloods.

Thank you for you kind words and suggestion.
10-29-2016, 03:46 PM
Kaido

Quote:

Originally Posted by OdinsOtherSon

You need to increase that NAC dose to 1800mg/day, divided into 3 separate doses. Take each dose with 2x that amount of vitamin C.

Thanks for pointing out the thing with Vitamin C mate. But why should I triple the dose? I won't be taking any orals and from recent bloodwork my liver is perfectly fine.
10-29-2016, 03:50 PM
OdinsOtherSon

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaido

Thanks for pointing out the thing with Vitamin C mate. But why should I triple the dose? I won't be taking any orals and from recent bloodwork my liver is perfectly fine.

That dose can be used on or off cycle, injectables or orals. It's a generally recognized dose for any application; however, if you're good with 600, that's def way better than not using the product at all.
10-30-2016, 05:08 AM
Euroholic

Pro fighter? Whats your record mate?
10-30-2016, 07:58 AM
KOArtist

Consider TUDCA with the NAV for liver support and Aromasin for AI. Otherwise looks pretty solid.
10-30-2016, 08:50 AM
AR's King Silabolin

Quote:

Originally Posted by OdinsOtherSon

You need to increase that NAC dose to 1800mg/day, divided into 3 separate doses. Take each dose with 2x that amount of vitamin C.

Aust suggests 1200 on. You have documentaton on why 1800 is necessary?
10-30-2016, 12:05 PM
Grappler13

Here's Austinite recommending NAC: http://forums.steroid.com/supplement...ml#post6589936 Apparently there isn't any know downside to 2000mg ed and it seems to be a super Compound for more than just liver support. Seems magical: I bought a pound last night :)

"How to dose NAC:

600mg daily year round. Increase to 1200mg for an injectable steroid cycle. Increase to 1800mg - 2400mg in the presence of oral steroids . Obviously use the lower dose for mildly toxic steroids such as Anavar , and the heavier dose for toxic steroids such as Dianabol."
10-31-2016, 07:20 AM
Kaido

Quote:

Originally Posted by Euroholic

Pro fighter? Whats your record mate?

Sorry but I can't reveal that here mate, if someone connects the dots he might find out who I am and I'll end up getting caught.
10-31-2016, 01:41 PM
OdinsOtherSon

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silabolin

Aust suggests 1200 on. You have documentaton on why 1800 is necessary?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/8108311/

Not sure the term necessary is appropriate, rather, acceptable. This study was regarding the use of nac to reduce cholesterol and increase hdl, which is a function of liver health and functionality.
11-01-2016, 03:12 AM
Kaido

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11-01-2016, 11:31 AM
Kaido

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