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I just did my blood work yesterday and the results are coming in slowly, so far the # that stands out is my Testosterone Free # which is extremely high, is this normal? I'm on Test E 400mg/wk, NPP 300mg/wk and 20-30mg Dbol/day and Arimidex 0.25 EOD and DIM for Estrogen.
The result for the Testosterone Free;
HI 3674 Ref: 196-636 pmol/L
I've been on DBol for about 4 weeks now, and I think I will be getting off it, I really don't want to damage my liver even though I'm on NAC and TUDAC.
Kinda useless to test free testosterone on a testosterone cycle.
Dont tell me you also tested LH and FSH?
I tested it all, I'm not clear on the difference between Test Free and just Testosterone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.BB
I've been feeling really tired on this stuff.
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Originally Posted by JDToronto
Free testosterone is whats unbound and available for use. It's a much lesser amount than your total test.
If you're really tired you may want to check your E2. To high a level can cause fatigue.
Thanx for that info, Yea, I'm anxiously waiting for the E2 results because my last results were very high and I've been taking Arimidex and DIM since then.Quote:
Originally Posted by kelkel
Waste of money to test free testosterone when you are on cycle injecting 10x your natural production. Total testosterone is only useful if you want to know if your gear is bunk or underdosed. LH and FSH is completely useless on cycle as when you are shutdown they are nill.Quote:
Originally Posted by JDToronto
Whats your cycle experience? So many compounds, how do you manage the e2?
Yea, I need to get off of Dbol, my liver is taking a hit even though I'm taking Tumeric, TUDAC, and NAC. My urine most times is darker colour. I'm on 0.25mg/EOD Arimidex and DIM as previous threads recommended. I'm desperately waiting for my blood work, checking all the time on the internet for the results. I really want to know what's going on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.BB
I don't know if you'd call this a 2nd cycle, but my experience before was Test E 200/mg a week.
Okay got my results finally, and I'm shocked everything is normal, it hasn't been normal in weeks. So the Anti Estrogen's are working and so are the liver protectants. Just wondering why I'm tired during the week. My estrogen was sky high and now they're normal. I was expecting my testosterone to be much higher though and it's within range. I'm thinking the anti-estrogen's are making me tired, the Arimidex.
Are you in Canada?
If so, why are you getting your testosterone checked? That's not something you want on your medical file. On cycle I check lipids or I drive to the states and go to a private lab to get e2 or anything else checked. Guess Im a bit paranoid but a guy at my gym had a heart attack on the treadmill he was on cycle and died and because they had record of him using AAS his life insurance was void. Well thats what we heard from his wife anyway. Don't mean to scare you just trying to inform.
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Originally Posted by JDToronto
If you testosterone is in range then your gear is way under-dosed as BB referenced.
This is just really confusing thread . Thats all i got
Yea, I'm in Canada. I don't have life insurance, takes forever to get benefits working for the gov't as I do. Well, I hope I don't get a heart attack, that's always been a concern of mine being on this. Do you have to be on really high doses for that to happen? Does Dbol cause a heart attack? Don't mind me, I'm a bit new to this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Livinlean
No don't worry about that lol he was an older fella I was more getting at the life insurance part. As long as you are checking your BP daily and have your cholesterol in check you should be fine. AAS will not directly cause a heart attack but you couple it with no cardio and a shit diet and you have a recipe for disaster but even this would have to be done for a pro longed period of time.Quote:
Originally Posted by JDToronto
No way you can have free testosterone that high with in range total test.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuz
Yes, confusing.
I don't eat crap, on occasion like some sugar for reason lately. Maybe I'm deprived of something. I need to find a time to check my cholesterol because you have to fast prior to doing it. And I need to get back at doing cardio. I used to do High Intensity Interval Training and I stopped. But I check my BP twice a day, bought a BP checker thing from Costco.Quote:
Originally Posted by Livinlean
Duplicate reply. Erasing.
My results are in Canadian measurements so I don't know if you can convert it to US metrics, here they are;Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.BB
Prolactin
4.0
Ref: 2.6 - 13.1 ug/L
Reproductive and Gonadal
Estradiol
<73 Ref: 0-172 pmol/L (it was 335 2 weeks ago)
NOTE: Estrogen receptor antagonists have been
shown to interfere with estradiol testing by
some immunoassay technologies resulting in
falsely elevated estradiol concentrations.
Some ********* aromatase inhibitors are
structurally related to estradiol and may
interfere with some direct immunoassays.
Please interpret results for patients taking
these medications with caution.
Dehydroepiandrosterone [DHEA-S]
5.4 Ref: 0.05-14.0 umol/L
Testosterone
16.6
Ref: 6.0-27.0 nmol/L
Testosterone Free
HI 3674
Ref: 196-636 pmol/L
Either the testosterone is very underdosed, or your lab made a gross mistake.
Sure you dont eat a ton of proviron?Quote:
Originally Posted by JDToronto
Never seen this before. So superhigh free test yet total test in normal range. A dream scenario ofcourse. Maybe u have a genetic failure in the shgb
On my last blood test my total T was low (I had stayed away from T for a while)
Yet my free T was quite high, over the reference range.
But my SHBG was at 6nmol/L - ref is: 8-40nmol/L I think.
So it can happen, I'll try to find it, cause i doubt my free T were anywhere near as high as yours.
No, not on Proviron. I am taking Dutasteride though, for hair loss. People say it's like castration as it's stronger than the other meds for hair loss or prostate. Maybe that has an affect?Quote:
Originally Posted by Silabolin
Dutasteride possesses a dual-enzyme inhibition mechanism (type 1 and type 2 isoenzymes) and has been shown to suppress more than 90% of DHT production. In contrast, finasteride is a single-enzyme inhibitor (type 2 isoenzyme) and only produces partial inhibition of the enzyme responsible for DHT production. - See more at: http://www.ajmc.com/journals/supplem....YkLMXCwA.dpuf
Like castration? That's ridiculous. It's 90% to Fina's 70%. Does anyone really need 90% suppression? Doubtful.
Sorry, I dont believe in this results.Quote:
Originally Posted by JDToronto
Means you have 22% free testosterone which I think its impossible (normal is around 2%), unless you injected some test suspension prior to drawing blood or something weird like that.
Also still means your testosterone is bunk or underdosed.
I'm just posting what it shows, I checked my calendar, I did a NPP shot the day before of 80mg and 75 mg 3 days before that and looks like I only did 200mg of Test E 4 days prior to the blood work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.BB
My previous results show high test at 55 nmol/L, so maybe I need to inject more.