First cycle at 22?

**SuperSamoan** · 11-08-2016, 03:28 AM

Anyway I know the risks and I have heard that the hpta finishes developing at 26, so I am aware that me cycling might come in the way of that.

Right now I am 5'8 and 196 lbs

I want to cycle for rugby mainly to recover faster from my workouts and also to gain some strength

I am probably going to cut down to 180 lbs before I cycle so that I am lean.

I have some nagging joint issues in the knees that I would love to have addresses.

What do you guys recommend?

**AR's King Silabolin** · 11-08-2016, 03:47 AM

Nothing, you are too young. EOD

For the knee you could try TB500 though. More info and where to get it is on google.

**charger69** · 11-08-2016, 05:04 AM

What is your bodyfat? Just losing the weight may make a significant improve,ent on your knees.
I agree with Sil.... Wait until your 25.

**ScotchGuard02** · 11-08-2016, 10:00 AM

Welcome to the forum. You know the risks and you still want to cycle? Read a few of these threads before you start your cycle.
Libido shut down over 3 years post cycle please help
6 months PCT, total T 189, another PCT? Too late for more AI?
Limp Dick

These guys were determined to handle the side effects of steroid use , until it happened to them. Think twice about starting AAS use at your age.

**SuperSamoan** · 11-08-2016, 09:34 PM

Originally Posted by ScotchGuard02

Welcome to the forum. You know the risks and you still want to cycle? Read a few of these threads before you start your cycle.

These guys were determined to handle the side effects of steroid use, until it happened to them. Think twice about starting AAS use at your age.

You are right but I already have low testosterone at 400ng/dl. I have also been training for 6 years as well. But I still need to read more.

**SuperSamoan** · 11-08-2016, 09:42 PM

Also can I run the buy anabolics products without pct?

**Couchlock** · 11-08-2016, 10:06 PM

Originally Posted by SuperSamoan

Also can I run the buy anabolics products without pct?

Yes stick with those

They are not even close to being real anabolic -androgenic steroid hormones

They are vitamin and herbal supplements

**mrlittleman** · 11-09-2016, 11:03 AM

If you have such a low test even at that age 22, can a trt from the doctor... if you cant.... your test amount is fine. Work your ass off, eat plenty of protein. If your not going to be a serious Bodybuilder and compete for life. No need to jump on gear at 22.

**SuperSamoan** · 11-09-2016, 09:01 PM

Originally Posted by mrlittleman

If you have such a low test even at that age 22, can a trt from the doctor... if you cant.... your test amount is fine. Work your ass off, eat plenty of protein. If your not going to be a serious Bodybuilder and compete for life. No need to jump on gear at 22.

I have been working my ass off for 6 years. Honestly I'm pretty happy with the way things are going but my recovery from workouts isn't good (joint pain and feeling sluggish) and also I have no sex drive. But I'm not going to jump into it I don't want to risk anything so I'll get blood work and check my cardiovascular health meters to see if that is causing my erectile dysfunction. Some of the things I am experiencing I should not experience at my age.

**kelkel** · 11-09-2016, 09:41 PM

Originally Posted by SuperSamoan

I have been working my ass off for 6 years. Honestly I'm pretty happy with the way things are going but my recovery from workouts isn't good (joint pain and feeling sluggish) and also I have no sex drive. But I'm not going to jump into it I don't want to risk anything so I'll get blood work and check my cardiovascular heath meters to see if that is causing my erectile dysfunction. Some of the things I am experiencing I should not experience at my age.

Take a look at the Finding A Doc sticky in the HRT Forum and try to get the list of blood work in it. It will cover all bases for you.

**SuperSamoan** · 11-09-2016, 10:24 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Take a look at the Finding A Doc sticky in the HRT Forum and try to get the list of blood work in it. It will cover all bases for you.

Yeah I'm getting the heart related blood work done this week and I'll ask them to also test for some of the other things as well.

**SuperSamoan** · 11-09-2016, 10:28 PM

Also I am not going to make the team without roids because my genetics are not up to par but I need to use them safely. It has been my dream to be a collegiate athlete for a while and I think I have what it takes because I am disciplined, persistent and consistent in preparing for whatever I pursue.

**charger69** · 11-10-2016, 05:43 AM

Originally Posted by SuperSamoan

Also I am not going to make the team without roids because my genetics are not up to par but I need to use them safely. It has been my dream to be a collegiate athlete for a while and I think I have what it takes because I am disciplined, persistent and consistent in preparing for whatever I pursue.

IMO AAS is not going to make or break you. It just allows to reach more of your potential.
I just want to warn you to be careful of your mindset. If you think that you need AAS, it can take you down a road that you wish you never went down. AAS is not going to make you superman nor will it change your genetics.

**Marsoc** · 11-10-2016, 08:24 AM

Originally Posted by SuperSamoan

I have been working my ass off for 6 years. Honestly I'm pretty happy with the way things are going but my recovery from workouts isn't good (joint pain and feeling sluggish) and also I have no sex drive. But I'm not going to jump into it I don't want to risk anything so I'll get blood work and check my cardiovascular health meters to see if that is causing my erectile dysfunction. Some of the things I am experiencing I should not experience at my age.

22 no sex drive...that sucks. I was slaying em out here when I was that age

**Marsoc** · 11-10-2016, 08:28 AM

Originally Posted by SuperSamoan

Also I am not going to make the team without roids because my genetics are not up to par but I need to use them safely. It has been my dream to be a collegiate athlete for a while and I think I have what it takes because I am disciplined, persistent and consistent in preparing for whatever I pursue.

That's the biggest bunch of bullshit I ever heard. Did U ever watch a movie called gatika...same concept u won't make it because U doubt urself. There are 150 pound Recon Marines that lug around 150lbs of survey equipment on missions lol..what's so bad about ur genetics. I know weight has nothing to do with it mainly. But jut trying to motivate u

**Obs** · 11-10-2016, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by Marsoc

That's the biggest bunch of bullshit I ever heard. Did U ever watch a movie called gatika...same concept u won't make it because U doubt urself. There are 150 pound Recon Marines that lug around 150lbs of survey equipment on missions lol..what's so bad about ur genetics. I know weight has nothing to do with it mainly. But jut trying to motivate u

BUDS Training, or any special forces training, there are older guys with beer guts that make it vs. the perfectly cut athletic types. Training like that goes way beyond athletics. It's breaking you down and making everything inside you want to tap out. Surviving and passing is who your soul is. What is in your core at your deepest point. If you have a mist droplet of quit in you you will not make the cut. It takes an alpha. The very few that make it would have literally died if they hadn't. They would have allowed their death rather than punch out.