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Thread: Running HCG on a long cycle?

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    Running HCG on a long cycle?

    DISCLAIMER: (since a lot of you always jumping to conclusions lol) this is another one of my informational only questions, I'm not on or going to be on any of these made up cycles I'm purely asking questions.

    Suppose one was on a relatively long cycle. Suppose Test E 500mg/wk and EQ @ 600 mg/wk for 16 total weeks. Would you run HCG that entire time? I've read on a few other threads that prolonged use of HCG can be suppressive in itself, potentially permanently suppressive. ALSO being in the dosage it normally it is sold in, it is seemingly much more cost effective to run the HCG for just 10 wks.

    AGAIN, I am asking for informational purpose, I am not currently running a cycle nor am I trying to cut corners or save money in a cycle just ASKING.

    But what if you ran the Test/EQ 16wks, Aromasin 10mg/day or EOD wks 1-16, HCG 500iu/wk wks 5-15, PCT week 17-21 as usual clomid/nolva? anything ridiculously wrong with that?

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    Yes the whole time. Were those threads by Dylan Gimelli perhaps? I personally believe you could do it the ten weeks only without serious damage but who wants to shrink their testicles a tiny bit? Hcg is cheap. Hell, if I could spend the money to make my nuts bigger I would, so I'm not gonna run the chance of shrinkage over 50 bucks.
    I have ran cycles of 500mg without hcg. Did it shrink my balls? I have no idea because I was too young to be messing with my hormones. Maybe if I hadn't my nuts would be bigger??? Dunno. All I know is for every dose of test I administer a dose of hcg will follow.
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    You inject test: natural production is shut off. So how long will you leave your boys shut off? How many weeks? Heck wid dat biz!

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    HCG is only suppressive when run by itself. Then it can slowly suppress your endogenous LH production. HCG Mono is used by some people as a form of hormone replacement therapy. Same theory as with testosterone : inject it and your body senses it no longer needs to produce it and shuts down. Inject HCG and over time your body slows down it's own(LH) production. It's a feedback mechanism.
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    I'd run HCG along with Test the the duration of the cycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obspowerstroke View Post
    Yes the whole time. Were those threads by Dylan Gimelli perhaps? I personally believe you could do it the ten weeks only without serious damage but who wants to shrink their testicles a tiny bit? Hcg is cheap. Hell, if I could spend the money to make my nuts bigger I would, so I'm not gonna run the chance of shrinkage over 50 bucks.
    I have ran cycles of 500mg without hcg. Did it shrink my balls? I have no idea because I was too young to be messing with my hormones. Maybe if I hadn't my nuts would be bigger??? Dunno. All I know is for every dose of test I administer a dose of hcg will follow.
    Lol I have heard of the infamous Dylan Gimelli guy.... sometimes he sounds like he has solid information but I cant take him seriously with the way his body looks lol..... His 1 synthol shoulder weirds me out and he has no well developed points on his entire body...

    BUT, the sticky thread "ancillary reference guide" mentions this suppression, but that is more-so in the arguments of not to use it on PCT....

    my plan for my next personal cycle is the run hcg the whole time. But I was just wondering if there is any caps on the length of time hcg can be ran.
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    All exogenous hormones are supressive. Testosterone is supressive at both pituitary and testicular level, because as it shutsdown LH it stops the testicular function.
    HCG is supressive at pituitary level, but as it acts as LH keeps testicular function alive.

    Pituitary function is ussualy much easier to restart than testicular function.

    HCG greater damage comes from using high dosages as this can desensitize testis to LH.
    250ui is a low dosage which should not cause any desensitation problems.

    Hope this helps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DawgHouse View Post
    Lol I have heard of the infamous Dylan Gimelli guy.... sometimes he sounds like he has solid information but I cant take him seriously with the way his body looks lol..... His 1 synthol shoulder weirds me out and he has no well developed points on his entire body...

    BUT, the sticky thread "ancillary reference guide" mentions this suppression, but that is more-so in the arguments of not to use it on PCT....

    my plan for my next personal cycle is the run hcg the whole time. But I was just wondering if there is any caps on the length of time hcg can be ran.
    Bb and Kel Kel know more about it than I care too. I look to them for a lot of info on their posts. I trust them primarily because they will be the first to tell you if you are messing you nuts up. Not kissing their butts, they kinda think their shit don't stink sometimes but that doesn't mean I don't respect what they say. Lol!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Obspowerstroke View Post
    Bb and Kel Kel know more about it than I care too. I look to them for a lot of info on their posts. I trust them primarily because they will be the first to tell you if you are messing you nuts up. Not kissing their butts, they kinda think their shit don't stink sometimes but that doesn't mean I don't respect what they say. Lol!
    As it shouldn't they've forgot more than we know over the years lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by NACH3 View Post
    As it shouldn't they've forgot more than we know over the years lol
    I know that for a fact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Obspowerstroke View Post
    Bb and Kel Kel know more about it than I care too. I look to them for a lot of info on their posts. I trust them primarily because they will be the first to tell you if you are messing you nuts up. Not kissing their butts, they kinda think their shit don't stink sometimes but that doesn't mean I don't respect what they say. Lol!
    Kel is the master, im just learning but trying to help when I can.

    Sorry, if I sound like a douche sometimes, english is not my 1st language and I could never have kel eloquence and charm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.BB View Post
    Kel is the master, im just learning but trying to help when I can.

    Sorry, if I sound like a douche sometimes, english is not my 1st language and I could never have kel eloquence and charm.
    I hope you both know I fully respect you. I have been in the game long enough to know who knows most. I like keeping things light while on here because it becomes too much like science class. You are both cool and I appreciate what you do. You guys don't know how often I look up your posts when I have a problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.BB View Post
    Kel is the master, im just learning but trying to help when I can.

    Sorry, if I sound like a douche sometimes, english is not my 1st language and I c[B]ould never have kel eloquence and charm[/B].
    Not many can pull that off imho B
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.BB View Post
    Kel is the master, im just learning but trying to help when I can.

    Sorry, if I sound like a douche sometimes, english is not my 1st language and I could never have kel eloquence and charm.

    I just burped some smoke due to so much finding its way up my arse!

    That said, I've found myself laying back a lot lately since you and some of the other guys came aboard with such impressive KSA's. Always direct and on-point helping members which is simply impressive. You guys deserve a big thank you from so many here!

    ps: You forgot sarcasm to go along with eloquence and charm......
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    HCG comes in a vial do you mix this or can you inject with test?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonbana View Post
    HCG comes in a vial do you mix this or can you inject with test?
    You mix it with bacteriostatic water. Most amps come in 5000iu powder form, mix it with about 2ml of bac water and 1/10th cc is 250 iu. Refrigerate after mixing, only use a sterile vial, and inject sub-Q. So no you don't mix it with test. Also many hcg amps come with sterile water... Don't use it, get bacteriostatic water.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Obspowerstroke View Post
    You mix it with bacteriostatic water. Most amps come in 5000iu powder form, mix it with about 2ml of bac water and 1/10th cc is 250 iu. Refrigerate after mixing, only use a sterile vial, and inject sub-Q. So no you don't mix it with test. Also many hcg amps come with sterile water... Don't use it, get bacteriostatic water.
    sounds complex probably why I haven't look into it , gonna have to though thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonbana View Post
    sounds complex probably why I haven't look into it , gonna have to though thanks
    If you dont use it for your TRT, not much point in using it for the blasts IMO

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