Bulking Cycle

[Batmanreturns]

This is what I'm thinking. 50 grams pea protein blended with water and coco powder every 2 1/2 hours. 450 grams of protein doing 50g every 2 hours. carbs around 200-300 for 12 weeks then up to around 650 for maintenance. fats 30 grams for 12 weeks then up to around 100g ED.

[numbere]

Batman with all do respect macros mean nothing to us without stats, activity level and tdee.

Lack of stats with macros has been discussed in your previous diet thread.

The not eat real food in place of protein powders?

Also, we have a diet section specifically for these types of threads.

[Batmanreturns]

Batman with all do respect macros mean nothing to us without stats, activity level and tdee.

Lack of stats with macros has been discussed in your previous diet thread.

The not eat real food in place of protein powders?

Also, we have a diet section specifically for these types of threads.

Current stats still 195lbs 20% bf, 1 hour at the gym is my activity levels, maybe another 500-1000 cals throughout the day, tdee 4k

I know lol

I want to see how my body reacts without animal products and specifically dairy. I'll go back to meats after a few months and see what gives me any issues with digestions

This better belongs in the diet section your correct

[numbere]

Current stats still 195lbs 20% bf, 1 hour at the gym is my activity levels, maybe another 500-1000 cals throughout the day, tdee 4k

I know lol

I want to see how my body reacts without animal products and specifically dairy. I'll go back to meats after a few months and see what gives me any issues with digestions

This better belongs in the diet section your correct

You still didn't give us enough information.

Not to be rude but have you ever calculated maintenance calories?

Even if you were 18 years old and 6'5" with your other stats your tdee wouldn't be over 3,500 calories.

Imo being a vegan bodybuilder is an oxymoron.

I've given you the benefit of the doubt in your past threads but after this one I'm leaning heavily towards you being a troll.

[hammerheart]

Current stats still 195lbs 20% bf, 1 hour at the gym is my activity levels, maybe another 500-1000 cals throughout the day, tdee 4k

I know lol

I want to see how my body reacts without animal products and specifically dairy. I'll go back to meats after a few months and see what gives me any issues with digestions

This better belongs in the diet section your correct

For digestive issues just stay off dairy, be sure to include plenty of eggs and lean cuts of meat.

Vegan diet is unsuitable for a bb, it's deficient in essential nutrients you need.

[Cupid]

4k TDEE???
Are you a lumberjack or something?
Because unless your running around and chopping wood for 10 hours every day, there is no way you are at 4k.
Based on the stats you provided...your BMR is probably about 1800 per day, 1 hour gym maybe another 500 at most. What is your occupation? Are you sitting or standing most of the day?
Find the calculating TDEE sticky in diet section.
Follow the advice that the 2 above me posted, they are very knowledgable.

[Nephets]

Current stats still 195lbs 20% bf, 1 hour at the gym is my activity levels, maybe another 500-1000 cals throughout the day, tdee 4k

I know lol

I want to see how my body reacts without animal products and specifically dairy. I'll go back to meats after a few months and see what gives me any issues with digestions

This better belongs in the diet section your correct

you may also want to reconsider starting your bulk at 20%.

[ScotchGuard02]

This is what I'm thinking. 50 grams pea protein blended with water and coco powder every 2 1/2 hours. 450 grams of protein doing 50g every 2 hours. carbs around 200-300 for 12 weeks then up to around 650 for maintenance. fats 30 grams for 12 weeks then up to around 100g ED.

You should also consider the body's ability to absorb the protein. After 4 hours the body can absorb 90% to 100% of whey protein, as where soy protein is about 55%, rice protein is about 85%. "As mentioned above, rice protein is high in cysteine and methionine, but tends to be low in lysine. Yellow pea protein, on the other hand, tends to be low in the sulfur containing amino acids, cysteine and methionine -- but high in lysine. (http://www.nutribodyprotein.com/protein-types.php)" mixing the pea and rice protein seems to be the best solution. Whey protein is still cheaper and better absorbed by the body.

[Batmanreturns]

You still didn't give us enough information.

Not to be rude but have you ever calculated maintenance calories?

Even if you were 18 years old and 6'5" with your other stats your tdee wouldn't be over 3,500 calories.

Imo being a vegan bodybuilder is an oxymoron.

I've given you the benefit of the doubt in your past threads but after this one I'm leaning heavily towards you being a troll.

Current tdee is only 2000 calories without a activity, 4k is at the end of the cycle, I can calculate it during each part of this bulk but it's not too relevant because calories remain the same until the very end

I agree with that lol

I mean, it's not a moral issue, I want to test digestibility and then slowly re incorporate meats and dairy and see where if any issues I get come from

I know, I'm truly not

[Batmanreturns]

For digestive issues just stay off dairy, be sure to include plenty of eggs and lean cuts of meat.

Vegan diet is unsuitable for a bb, it's deficient in essential nutrients you need.

That was my initial thought, I'll let everyone know the results. I'm hesitant of the diary involved with 450 grams of protein. I can feel the gas and discomfort already lol

From an amino acid profile it's not? What are you concerned with?

[Batmanreturns]

You should also consider the body's ability to absorb the protein. After 4 hours the body can absorb 90% to 100% of whey protein, as where soy protein is about 55%, rice protein is about 85%. "As mentioned above, rice protein is high in cysteine and methionine, but tends to be low in lysine. Yellow pea protein, on the other hand, tends to be low in the sulfur containing amino acids, cysteine and methionine -- but high in lysine. (http://www.nutribodyprotein.com/protein-types.php)" mixing the pea and rice protein seems to be the best solution. Whey protein is still cheaper and better absorbed by the body.

You guys are savage. I'll compare the amino profiles of NOW pea and body tech pro.

The digestion issues and discomfort may have come from experimenting with high levels of protein and the nitrogen was the issues where as the dairy not so much. I'm still not sure.

I would attempt to handle the whey the same as pea, 50g every 2 - 2 1/2 hours. Do you think I could bump the amounts from an absorption standpoint?

[Mr.BB]

IMO nobody needs 450gr of protein per day.

You will excrete probably half of that.

[Batmanreturns]

IMO nobody needs 450gr of protein per day.

You will excrete probably half of that.

That would only last for 12 weeks then I'd bring it back down to around 250g.

That's where my head is at. How much can I take in daily. 50g every 2 - 2/12 hours seemed best.