Prop Stack

**Kyle1337** · 12-15-2016, 08:13 PM

Hey all,

Let's start with the usual...

Age: 26
2 Cycles; Test E 500mg 12 week. 12 week Test C 500mg 7 weeks var 60mg
#205 @ 14% BF
Yada yada, yes I use PCT, HCG , Ai, blood tests, etc.

I want to run prop for 8 weeks on my 3rd cycle. I also want to gain some noticeable size, but not pack the water on (d bol). I want to add in another AAS. I really want to do Anadrol with this cycle. However, I'm on accutane 10mg/day. I'm not sure if it'll be good for my liver. I thought about several other AAS, but none seem to fall into the faster acting category that are "bulking"... except for tren . I'm not sure I want to do tren on my 3rd cycle....

What's your guys thought's?

**songdog** · 12-15-2016, 09:59 PM

And you dont think Drol will make you hold water? Tbol Bro.

**Kyle1337** · 12-16-2016, 08:15 AM

Well, I've heard mixed stuff. Tbol I could do if my guy can get it. Couldn't a few months ago. However, mixing Accutane and an oral AAS same time... Even such a low dose Accutane, is that going to be ok?

**DHew** · 12-16-2016, 10:14 AM

Highly unadvisable.

**01dragonslayer** · 12-16-2016, 10:59 AM

You could try a low dose of tren or possibly opt for masteron .

**numbere** · 12-16-2016, 11:16 AM

I've used accutane for short periods 1-2 weeks at lower doses 10-20mg/day while on cycle but would advise against this practice unless absolutely necessary.

Why not just wait until your finished taking accutane then use whatever you like?

**Kyle1337** · 12-16-2016, 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by DHew

Highly unadvisable.

I figured as much.

Originally Posted by 01dragonslayer

You could try a low dose of tren or possibly opt for masteron.

I thought about mast, but it's generally a "cutting" AAS, and generally best used if under 10% bf, right? I don't want to be that guy that jumps on tren too early. I'm not gonna abuse it though... dose of 200mg a week of Ace to start.

Originally Posted by numbere

I've used accutane for short periods 1-2 weeks at lower doses 10-20mg/day while on cycle but would advise against this practice unless absolutely necessary.

Why not just wait until your finished taking accutane then use whatever you like?

I do hope my acne is clear before I'm ready to cycle again. I fear it won't be though. I was told and read by a few knowledgeable guys on this forum that running test/compound non oral will be fine with low dose accutane. I can't imagine accutane 10mg/day being worse for you than dbol and the like? Perhaps I'm wrong. I would obviously run at least 2400mg NAC/day or even 3k/day. Maybe... I will run 1 week on 1 week off accutane kinda as you mentioned.

I may just stop accutane and restart it once I'm off cycle, or does this seem dumb?

**numbere** · 12-16-2016, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by Kyle1337

I do hope my acne is clear before I'm ready to cycle again. I fear it won't be though. I was told and read by a few knowledgeable guys on this forum that running test/compound non oral will be fine with low dose accutane. I can't imagine accutane 10mg/day being worse for you than dbol and the like? Perhaps I'm wrong. I would obviously run at least 2400mg NAC/day or even 3k/day. Maybe... I will run 1 week on 1 week off accutane kinda as you mentioned.

I may just stop accutane and restart it once I'm off cycle, or does this seem dumb?

The way I see it if you're still on accutane or breaking out then your not ready to cycle.

At 26 there's no need to be in a rush, there's plenty of time plus it's the off season.

I'm really not sure of accutane's effects of the liver compared to oral AAS.

If I were in your position I'd wait until finished taking accutane and liver values have returned to normal before cycling.

It would really suck if you messed up your liver because of using AAS and accutane at the same time or developed acne scars from cycling before your skin was clear.

**Kyle1337** · 12-16-2016, 01:30 PM

I agree, and I'd certainly not start a cycle if my liver, or any values were not back to normal. I have 10 weeks before I pull bloods, so I hope my acne can be cleared by then. I will say, I already have a trillion scares due to my 10+ years neglect of not getting my acne in control. I feel as I gave up because after being on so many bull shit drugs and soaps, I said hell with it. My acne never improved on any prescription... or soap lol... Until I found accutane. Probably just a coincidence, but my acne has already been better after a week.

However, outside of accutane, and lets say I get this acne cleared up and come off accutane, I'm still curious what to run with prop. If I can't get T-bol, and Adrol is gonna make me hold too much water, mast seems more cutting, same with winny... What else goes well? Or will Mast provide noticeable gains to be effective? Don't wanna waste the AAS.

**numbere** · 12-16-2016, 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by Kyle1337

However, outside of accutane, and lets say I get this acne cleared up and come off accutane, I'm still curious what to run with prop. If I can't get T-bol, and Adrol is gonna make me hold too much water, mast seems more cutting, same with winny... What else goes well? Or will Mast provide noticeable gains to be effective? Don't wanna waste the AAS.

Imo if you've never used adrol before then give it a run at 50mg/d for 6-8 weeks.

All AAS affect everyone differently.

Personally adrol doesn't make me hold water and gives fantastic results.

If you do bloat on adrol carb intake can be scaled back and fat intake can be increased.

There's also the option of sdrol for bulking non aromatizing oral.

**01dragonslayer** · 12-16-2016, 02:34 PM

Masteron is generally known as a 'cutting' hormone but bottom line is diet....that typically determines between a cut or bulk cycle. If you do decide to use tren I would bump it to 50mg/ed. Tren is awesome for strength and hardness with little to no water retention.

**jstone** · 12-16-2016, 03:10 PM

Nandrolone Phenylpropionate would be a good bulking compound to go with prop.

**Kyle1337** · 12-16-2016, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by numbere

Imo if you've never used adrol before then give it a run at 50mg/d for 6-8 weeks.

All AAS affect everyone differently.

Personally adrol doesn't make me hold water and gives fantastic results.

If you do bloat on adrol carb intake can be scaled back and fat intake can be increased.

There's also the option of sdrol for bulking non aromatizing oral.

Fair enough, I will think on it. Thanks for the help!

Originally Posted by 01dragonslayer

Masteron is generally known as a 'cutting' hormone but bottom line is diet....that typically determines between a cut or bulk cycle. If you do decide to use tren I would bump it to 50mg/ed. Tren is awesome for strength and hardness with little to no water retention.

Tren is king for sure heh. Just not sure if I'm ready for it. Perhaps the next cycle!

Originally Posted by jstone

Nandrolone Phenylpropionate would be a good bulking compound to go with prop.

Interesting, NPP I kinda forgot about. Did a few research on it now, looks interesting. Might go this route... 500mg/week of prop and 400 mg/week of NPP. Or does that seem like too much NPP for first time?

**01dragonslayer** · 12-16-2016, 10:23 PM

Yep yep. NPP is another good option.

**ScotchGuard02** · 12-17-2016, 05:23 PM

If you're on Accutane, run the full cycle. I'm assuming you're on a doc's supervision? Doc's recommend a full cycle of Accutane for people with severe acne as a way to "reset" the Sebaceous glands secreting oil. Sometimes those glands go nuts and produce a lot more oil then normal and Accutane treatment is used to reset and restart the activity. You already know that Accutane is hard on the liver. I don't recommend you run two orals at the same time. As for the AAS, is there some reason you don't want to wait until your Accutane cycle is over? The Accutane's reducing your oil secretion and the Test will increase your oil production. Why not just run the full Accutane cycle and then run your AAS cycle?

**Kyle1337** · 12-17-2016, 08:32 PM

Originally Posted by ScotchGuard02

If you're on Accutane, run the full cycle. I'm assuming you're on a doc's supervision? Doc's recommend a full cycle of Accutane for people with severe acne as a way to "reset" the Sebaceous glands secreting oil. Sometimes those glands go nuts and produce a lot more oil then normal and Accutane treatment is used to reset and restart the activity. You already know that Accutane is hard on the liver. I don't recommend you run two orals at the same time. As for the AAS, is there some reason you don't want to wait until your Accutane cycle is over? The Accutane's reducing your oil secretion and the Test will increase your oil production. Why not just run the full Accutane cycle and then run your AAS cycle?

Well... to be honest, I'm doing accutane on my own. The Dermatologists here are booked almost 9 months out, I do have an appointment made, incase my stuff doesn't work. I will be doing a blood test at least every 45 days for the liver values, is there anything else I should test while on accutane? I will do full blood panel in less than 10 weeks as well, as I just came off cycle 4 weeks ago or so. I can certainly run the full cycle accutane up until its gone, I am fine with waiting on AAS.

**shaunjohn242002** · 12-18-2016, 05:33 AM

i doubt 10 mg will hurt you but the best approach would be to run the full course of accutane then start the cycle. accutane will keep you clear through the cycle and the pct as it works long after stopping. good luck with that shit man it crippled my ass a few years ago with joint pain. if you decide to run both it is to your benefit to get bloods done