Realistic gains on Test E dbol cycle

[hardroad]

What would be an expected gain in % of body weight after a cycle of 500mg Test E PW with 4 weeks 20mg ED DBol?

Taken into account a good diet and training protocol? Making gains in strength and size no doubt about it and I'm only 3.5 weeks in but will I see a loss in size after stopping the DBol or will the Test E be kicking well and truly by then?

[Jonbana]

LOL

This cannot be answered.....

Each person responds differently ...

diet...
Training..
Experience...
starting size...
Genetics...
Stress in life...
Rest.....

Ok perfect Diet Perfect Training Still its pointless to ask because only your body will tell you once complete.....


if you want an answer sure 15-25 Pounds of something probably 10lbs in water and the rest either fat or muscle .

[DHew]

Hardroad, dont mind Jonbana, he's the neighborhood troll around here MOST of the time.

What is your cycle history? What is your current stats?

[Nephets]

You two are going to get court ordered counselling soon. Lol.

[tice1212]

What would be an expected gain in % of body weight after a cycle of 500mg Test E PW with 4 weeks 20mg ED DBol?

Taken into account a good diet and training protocol? Making gains in strength and size no doubt about it and I'm only 3.5 weeks in but will I see a loss in size after stopping the DBol or will the Test E be kicking well and truly by then?

With this question. I'm going to say u have never ran a cycle before.
This question can't be answered. I've seen 40lbs changes and I have seen 10lbs changes. Just like said up top to many variables.
Best advice I can give u to make solid gains
1:make sure to have eat 6 meals a day
2:have ur macros set up for ur body type (45/45/10 works best with me)
3: 3days on 1 day off or 4 days on 1day off workout split (rest is everything) don't over train
4:schedule ur cheat meals (for post workout meals, 1 hour after ur post workout shake for weak body parts like weak legs)
5:be smart! U will get strong fast!!! That doesn't mean u should be pushing or pulling that weight! For example (u could bench 225lbs for 1 and now u can push 250 DOESN'T mean u should be pushing that. Slowly increase it every week)

BTW 20mg of DBol is a waste Imo. And this is ur first cycle I'm thinking. So test only is best so u know what ur getting urself into.

[Obs]

Show me a picture of yourself and tell me your training exerience and how your diet will be. If my guess is more than 8lbs off you can all come back and laugh.

[ScotchGuard02]

When all is said and done, that is 4 weeks after PCT, if you can hang onto 5lbs to 10lbs of lean muscle mass then you're doing good. If you can hang on to 10lbs to 15lbs, you're doing great.

[tice1212]

When all is said and done, that is 4 weeks after PCT, if you can hang onto 5lbs to 10lbs of lean muscle mass then you're doing good. If you can hang on to 10lbs to 15lbs, you're doing great.

Truth!

[Ashop]

What would be an expected gain in % of body weight after a cycle of 500mg Test E PW with 4 weeks 20mg ED DBol?

Taken into account a good diet and training protocol? Making gains in strength and size no doubt about it and I'm only 3.5 weeks in but will I see a loss in size after stopping the DBol or will the Test E be kicking well and truly by then?

Its hard to say for sure,,many factors, but that's a good ,solid cycle that's worked for many. If you train and eat correctly you should make some outstanding gains.

[hardroad]

Yes this is my first cycle, if it wasn't and I was asking questions like this it would be a BIG worry.
I'm just looking for a rough guide on what I could expect. Seems most people love to throw around figures in pounds but I prefer to look at any increases as a percentage against my size. Maybe as I'm only very lean or maybe as my power to weight ratio is pretty good.

Stats:
160 lbs (yep got it way too slim)
6% BF
6'4"

Nil cycle history

Diet 3500 cals
25% C , 55%P, 20%F

I usually run very low carb diet but upped it incrementally to help put size on.

I'm not looking for anyone to tell me I'm too slim, shouldn't be on a cycle, etc. etc. everyone started somewhere and some genuine, decent constructive advice would be great.
On TRT so no PCT required just back on cruise after this.

Since my pituitary gland shut down and I went on TRT I've lost a fair bit of size. I've been 240lbs and it was all fat so I know what it's like to lose the weight. Very hard to pull up the mental blocks and actively try to put heaps back on but.

Any way like I said some constructive advice would be great,

[Couchlock]

Yes this is my first cycle, if it wasn't and I was asking questions like this it would be a BIG worry.
I'm just looking for a rough guide on what I could expect. Seems most people love to throw around figures in pounds but I prefer to look at any increases as a percentage against my size. Maybe as I'm only very lean or maybe as my power to weight ratio is pretty good.

Stats:
160 lbs (yep got it way too slim)
6% BF
6'4"

Nil cycle history

Diet 3500 cals
25% C , 55%P, 20%F

I usually run very low carb diet but upped it incrementally to help put size on.

I'm not looking for anyone to tell me I'm too slim, shouldn't be on a cycle, etc. etc. everyone started somewhere and some genuine, decent constructive advice would be great.
On TRT so no PCT required just back on cruise after this.

Since my pituitary gland shut down and I went on TRT I've lost a fair bit of size. I've been 240lbs and it was all fat so I know what it's like to lose the weight. Very hard to pull up the mental blocks and actively try to put heaps back on but.

Any way like I said some constructive advice would be great,

6%?!?

Are you sure....you know what it takes to get that, verge of death. Lol. Jk

Its likely very hard to maintain that with a normal day to day maintenance scedule, if your truly 6%, then your diet is way off for any muscle gain.

Get calipers or something, don't blindly estimate, but if you truly are, good job.

But, that's the reason your not as muscley as you wish.

[numbere]

Yes this is my first cycle, if it wasn't and I was asking questions like this it would be a BIG worry.
I'm just looking for a rough guide on what I could expect. Seems most people love to throw around figures in pounds but I prefer to look at any increases as a percentage against my size. Maybe as I'm only very lean or maybe as my power to weight ratio is pretty good.

Stats:
160 lbs (yep got it way too slim)
6% BF
6'4"

Nil cycle history

Diet 3500 cals
25% C , 55%P, 20%F

I usually run very low carb diet but upped it incrementally to help put size on.

I'm not looking for anyone to tell me I'm too slim, shouldn't be on a cycle, etc. etc. everyone started somewhere and some genuine, decent constructive advice would be great.
On TRT so no PCT required just back on cruise after this.

Since my pituitary gland shut down and I went on TRT I've lost a fair bit of size. I've been 240lbs and it was all fat so I know what it's like to lose the weight. Very hard to pull up the mental blocks and actively try to put heaps back on but.

Any way like I said some constructive advice would be great,

Honesty you should learn to eat and put on muscle tissue naturally or you'll lose everything when you go back to your TRT regimen.

How long have you been lifting?

What's your TRT protocol?

How old are you?

[Mr.BB]

First of all you are not 6% body fat. This guy is 6.2%: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4X2DFfaTvjI

If you were near him I would congratulate you, but the truth is you need steroids to be that lean. Your body will not allow you to be 6% bf drug free unless you are a genetic freak. But please show photos of you if you think I'm wrong.

Second, you will have problems soon if you are eating 481grs of protein per day. Your macros are wrong.

At this point you need to fix your diet, which like the guys said above has a lot of wrongs, just by looking at your weight we can see that.

About % increases nobody will be able to give you accurate figures, as its very different from person to person. But with your cutting diet with so little carbs you probably not going to gain anything.

[MMA_Influenced]

What would be an expected gain in % of body weight after a cycle of 500mg Test E PW with 4 weeks 20mg ED DBol?

Taken into account a good diet and training protocol? Making gains in strength and size no doubt about it and I'm only 3.5 weeks in but will I see a loss in size after stopping the DBol or will the Test E be kicking well and truly by then?

Obviously depends on what level of training your at.. your height/weight to start your cycle.

Remember the dbol bloats you with water pretty damn good so thats what your probably seeing. Your not going to be on dbol the rest of your life obviously so i wouldnt focus on the effect of dropping it as much as focus on what you keep when its all said and done

[Obs]

Yes this is my first cycle, if it wasn't and I was asking questions like this it would be a BIG worry.
I'm just looking for a rough guide on what I could expect. Seems most people love to throw around figures in pounds but I prefer to look at any increases as a percentage against my size. Maybe as I'm only very lean or maybe as my power to weight ratio is pretty good.

Stats:
160 lbs (yep got it way too slim)
6% BF
6'4"

Nil cycle history

Diet 3500 cals
25% C , 55%P, 20%F

I usually run very low carb diet but upped it incrementally to help put size on.

I'm not looking for anyone to tell me I'm too slim, shouldn't be on a cycle, etc. etc. everyone started somewhere and some genuine, decent constructive advice would be great.
On TRT so no PCT required just back on cruise after this.

Since my pituitary gland shut down and I went on TRT I've lost a fair bit of size. I've been 240lbs and it was all fat so I know what it's like to lose the weight. Very hard to pull up the mental blocks and actively try to put heaps back on but.

Any way like I said some constructive advice would be great,

Play it right you will put on twenty five to thirty. Start shoveling carbs and protein. You will put on ten pounds of water weight fast but this is a good thing because it will motivate you. When the cycle ends hold onto your gains for dear life. The fun will be over for a bit but you cant let it interfere with your training and mindset. Check your bloods a few weeks after and decide if you want to do it again. If you did it right when you hit your next cycle you will have held some serious gains but dont be suprised if you do it all rigjt and keep ten pounds. Good luck brother.

[wellshii]

So your pituitary shut down and your on TRT? But still want to cycle?
How about getting some blood done and see your hormone profile along with everything else to see it the TRT is a good dosage for your body for your body. That would be my first step. Honestly.
Then tee in your routine and diet.

[Couchlock]

Hardroad

I hear you on the mental blocks

I was 255 at 5'6"

Purposely eating like a horse took a lot for me to do on my cycle, mainly because I am all or nothing kind of guy.

I was afraid of get comfortable with old habits and the whole "they die hard" thing.

Eat clean like I did, you'll put on minimal fat.

We didn't get obese by eating clean.

We got obese from whole boxes of captain crunch and double fisting Butterfinger bars with coke a cola chasers.

[Obs]

^^^ couchlokd is a bad ass success story. I would listen to him thoroughly. He worked his ass off steroids or not, probably moreso than 99% of people on here.

[Couchlock]

^^^ couchlokd is a bad ass success story. I would listen to him thoroughly. He worked his ass off steroids or not, probably moreso than 99% of people on here.

Thanks ob
I need some kind words lately, minds out there, terrified of pct

I didn't use juice till September 8th thus year, just debating on ending this at now or one more week.

I personally think, since I'm damn near a whole cycle now, if I could is go back in time and not do,it

Too much for too little,

I lost a lot of definition but got stronger and thick as shit (thick for what I was)

But yeah dropped from 255 to 130 in a year

It all started when my dog died, i needed something to take my mind off of eating led. So I just lived in the weight room, and spent the rest of my time in a mountain bike.

[Obs]

I followed your story for a while now. Anyone who can bench twice their weight has my respect. You went from very fat to a rock and that takes more drive than most will ever have. It ain't just kind words though, its the truth.
I hear you on the pct, I took my last injection for my test, deca, dbol, cycle saturday. My joints are gonna go back to hurting like a bitch and the real bitch is I have a monster cycle sitting right in front of me. It keeps calling to me saying, "fuck the pct! Go back to back!". Terrible...
Never forget how far you have come though. I cant stand it when people try to make it look like gear is the easy way out. We tore our muscles down and we built ourselves into something else, not the juice.
Also, a guy like you shouldn't feel small at all. A saint bernard is a lot bigger than a pitbull but I would put my money on the pitbull. No fat and no wasted space, just lean and business. I hope you finish out well and hit the next cycle like a pro. Enjoy your recovery.... "POWERSTROKE! SHOOT THE TREN! THE TREN POWERSTROKE!"

[hardroad]

Hardroad

I hear you on the mental blocks

I was 255 at 5'6"

Purposely eating like a horse took a lot for me to do on my cycle, mainly because I am all or nothing kind of guy.

I was afraid of get comfortable with old habits and the whole "they die hard" thing.

Eat clean like I did, you'll put on minimal fat.

We didn't get obese by eating clean.

We got obese from whole boxes of captain crunch and double fisting Butterfinger bars with coke a cola chasers.

Thanks mate,

You got that right, pies, chips and rum...... that's how you turn to lard!
I appreciate the constructive words mate. And all the other decent posts. It's the good info out there we all need and appreciate.

I'll focus on higher clean carb intake and getting my macros more into a bulking style than the cuttting % I'm used to.

Thanks again.

[Juced_porkchop]

When all is said and done, that is 4 weeks after PCT, if you can hang onto 5lbs to 10lbs of lean muscle mass then you're doing good. If you can hang on to 10lbs to 15lbs, you're doing great.

agreed! atleast at first. gets harder as you go, in time 5lb is really good, but thats to be expected and you need to tweek diet along the way and training ofcourse : )

[insanegainz101]

I'm in the same boat brother, looking for as much advice on this topic as I can get.

living loving lifting