Tren + Proviron (no test)

[DocToxin8]

So most of us frown on cycles without test, and not something I'm gonna do cause I remember all to well how it felt last time I dropped test for 5 weeks while still staying on DBOL .

But, after some discussion with a friend and his experiences I began to think.

His approach was to run Tren only. I asked WTF?
Now, after some talking i realized it wasn't Tren only, but Tren and proviron only.
According to him, (which had done this several times, running quite long cycles, or blasts more proper to say),
his statement was that nothing got him so lean and he had no sexual sides and felt great.

Ok, I can see the point about getting ripped, for if you drop test then many compounds that otherwise cause water retention doesn't. Like my own experiences with DBOL, shredded as fuck without test. However, felt like shot too. (And probably very unhealthy, just felt plain unhealthy)

If one goes back to Arnold's era I'm sure they often dropped test out of the equation due to lack of AIs,
which u wouldn't need with a Tren, proviron cycle f.ex.

What got me thinking is that proviron should provide all the DHT stimulus needed for sexual function.
Without test E2 will fall, perhaps too low, but I can see you'll get ripped.

Anybody tried substituting test with proviron?
Would be intresting to know if this would negate much of the need for test. On the other hand, I like my test and won't try this as an experiment. I get ripped enough by just adding an AI.

Thoughts?

[hammerheart]

My idea of proviron as always been that of a compound with affinity so strong for binding proteins it has no actual effect on tissues.

Even if it had, synthetic DHTs have very low androgenic potential comparting to endogenous DHT and Test, it is my opinion that sexual function is more dependent from strong AR activation, especially in the CNS, though structural DHT might have specific tissue selectivity and those include body hair, prostate, and penis erector muscles, so that it might prevent "deca dick" from 19-nors.

It is also worth of note that structural DHTs also work as positive GABA regulators.

My personal experience btw is that sexual function is more dependent from P4-E2 synergy (recent discovery) than just androgens.

[DocToxin8]

Ok, my own experience with proviron is that it is a great hardening drug as well as pro sexual, but it's always been in concert with test.
But I also think E2 seem to be required for sexual function, as crashing it with too much AI fucks with libido.
My friend who could follow this Tren proviron regimen without sexual sides might react different than most though. For one, he experienced almost no ball shrinking when tested at the same endo I use. (After blasting the whole summer); or, he had shrunk from 25 to 24. When I tested last at the same place I was at 14 I think. (Just to give some comparison)

Would still like to hear if anybody's used proviron as a substitute for test with any success.