It's time I ask for help.. [Test flu][Pip]

**BobCrowley** · 01-20-2017, 05:29 PM

Hello all,

I just started my second cycle.

My first cycle was 500mg/wk Test C for 15 weeks, about a year ago. During that cycle I experienced virtually no pip, no sides, and modest gains about 10 lbs with a stable bodyfat%. I went from 5'8" 165 to 5'8" 175.

My current cycle is the same, 500mg/week Test C for 15 weeks, but with a different lab. Since beginning the cycle, I have felt like a monstrous pile of dog shit. So far, I have pinned three times: left quad (not virgin muscle) right quad (not virgin muscle) and left ventroglute (virgin muscle).

My first pin in the left quad went smoothly; it was in the AM on Thursday, the 12th. By the end of the day, my throat was tickling. By the next day, I had a runny nose, sore throat, and a fever, and debilitating pip that forced me to walk with a limp. I went to the doctor and tested negative for the flu and strep, they gave me a cortisone shot and sent me on my way.

The pip lasted for 5-6 days, being the worst the day after and slowly getting better, until it pretty much vanished. I'd say by the 3rd day, it was no longer a hindrance and just annoying. By Monday, the 16th, it was time for my next pin, which was in the right quad. That night, I woke up to profuse sweating, extreme dizziness and the urge to vomit. In the morning it was the same, except I actually did vomit, and again had severe pip. Fortunately my left leg was managable by that point so I was able to get around.

I tell my friend about this, he says a lot of people are using this source (pretty much every user at a large local gym) and that his friend got sick after the first two pins and feels great now.

The third pin, Thursday the 19th (yesterday) went in my glute, because my right leg still has pip, and the internet says that glute pip is less debilitating and not as severe. Again, last night, profuse sweating, and some hacking cough. Now, I have extreme fatigue and a fever, I always feel hot or cold, and the pip in my left glute and right quad combined make it very difficult to get around. I warm the oil before each injection, get out my prayer beads, etc etc, taking every precaution after the first painful pin.

Basically, I'm certain this isn't supposed to be this bad. My suspicion is that my first cycle was underdosed (or bunk) and that the second cycle is overdosed. I'm not sure if I should keep this up or not, this is literally the worst I've ever felt and it's surpassing a week. No one ever talks about test flu being anything other than a mild sickness, but I feel like death! The pip is also not reasonable, if I had to run for my life right now, I would surely die.

What should I try? Cut the gear with sterile oil? Drop down dosage? Quit?

**Quester** · 01-20-2017, 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by BobCrowley

Hello all,
My first pin in the left quad went smoothly; it was in the AM on Thursday, the 12th. By the end of the day, my throat was tickling. By the next day, I had a runny nose, sore throat, and a fever, and debilitating pip that forced me to walk with a limp. I went to the doctor and tested negative for the flu and strep, they gave me a cortisone shot and sent me on my way.

I'm not sure how much this matters but, did you sterilize skin, top of vial and use a clean needle? So, ventroglute...clean underwear? I couldn't resist that comment. I'm probably not being that much help but, I'm starting with the simple stuff and trying to get your thread put back at the top.

Get well soon, brother.

**BobCrowley** · 01-20-2017, 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by Quester

I'm not sure how much this matters but, did you sterilize skin, top of vial and use a clean needle? So, ventroglute...clean underwear? I couldn't resist that comment. I'm probably not being that much help but, I'm starting with the simple stuff and trying to get your thread put back at the top.

Get well soon, brother.

Yes sir, I sterilize injection site, and top of vial with alcohol swab, and make sure my ass is clean. The needles are always fresh, though I have had them since my last cycle (sealed in pack).

**Marcus G** · 01-21-2017, 04:39 AM

I belive its something to do with how much solvent is used when the test is created and your body has a reaction but it does usually clear up

**01dragonslayer** · 01-21-2017, 08:18 AM

I agree. It could be a possible reaction to the solvents used in the conversion. Some people have different reactions due to the amount of BA, BB, EO, or possibly a super solvent(Guaiacol) was used in the brewing process.

**BobCrowley** · 01-21-2017, 09:03 AM

Thanks for the responses. What are my options here?

My idea was to immediately stop injecting, order some sterile grapeseed oil, and attempt another injection once I can cut the gear. Since this is a long ester, and I have only done three injections, this seems like a reasonable course of action. If the dilluted gear still causes problems, I will just end the cycle (would PCT or a mini-PCT be advised after four injections?)

I failed to mention that the gear is the standard 250mg/ml, so unless this is mega-overdosed, it has to be a solvent issue right? Will diluting help this?

Also, an update on my symptoms: glute pip is still severe, it is hard to walk, but my fever went away last night around 2 AM, I feel much better today, so it seems my "test flu" is at least getting shorter every time.. maybe.

**The Deadlifting Dog** · 01-21-2017, 09:48 AM

Get new gear from a different lab.
I wouldn't use gear that gave fever or bad PIP.

**Marcus G** · 01-21-2017, 10:04 AM

If it's just flu symptoms your experiencing then I'd try hold out for a few weeks and see it symptoms subside.

**AR's King Silabolin** · 01-21-2017, 10:05 AM

Originally Posted by BobCrowley

Hello all,

I just started my second cycle.

My first cycle was 500mg/wk Test C for 15 weeks, about a year ago. During that cycle I experienced virtually no pip, no sides, and modest gains about 10 lbs with a stable bodyfat%. I went from 5'8" 165 to 5'8" 175.

My current cycle is the same, 500mg/week Test C for 15 weeks, but with a different lab. Since beginning the cycle, I have felt like a monstrous pile of dog shit. So far, I have pinned three times: left quad (not virgin muscle) right quad (not virgin muscle) and left ventroglute (virgin muscle).

My first pin in the left quad went smoothly; it was in the AM on Thursday, the 12th. By the end of the day, my throat was tickling. By the next day, I had a runny nose, sore throat, and a fever, and debilitating pip that forced me to walk with a limp. I went to the doctor and tested negative for the flu and strep, they gave me a cortisone shot and sent me on my way.

The pip lasted for 5-6 days, being the worst the day after and slowly getting better, until it pretty much vanished. I'd say by the 3rd day, it was no longer a hindrance and just annoying. By Monday, the 16th, it was time for my next pin, which was in the right quad. That night, I woke up to profuse sweating, extreme dizziness and the urge to vomit. In the morning it was the same, except I actually did vomit, and again had severe pip. Fortunately my left leg was managable by that point so I was able to get around.

I tell my friend about this, he says a lot of people are using this source (pretty much every user at a large local gym) and that his friend got sick after the first two pins and feels great now.

The third pin, Thursday the 19th (yesterday) went in my glute, because my right leg still has pip, and the internet says that glute pip is less debilitating and not as severe. Again, last night, profuse sweating, and some hacking cough. Now, I have extreme fatigue and a fever, I always feel hot or cold, and the pip in my left glute and right quad combined make it very difficult to get around. I warm the oil before each injection, get out my prayer beads, etc etc, taking every precaution after the first painful pin.

Basically, I'm certain this isn't supposed to be this bad. My suspicion is that my first cycle was underdosed (or bunk) and that the second cycle is overdosed. I'm not sure if I should keep this up or not, this is literally the worst I've ever felt and it's surpassing a week. No one ever talks about test flu being anything other than a mild sickness, but I feel like death! The pip is also not reasonable, if I had to run for my life right now, I would surely die.

What should I try? Cut the gear with sterile oil? Drop down dosage? Quit?

Just a tip. Try to narrow it down. Lots of questions from newbis and i and i guess others tend to move on when we come across a Roman.

No disrespect. Guess i should have used other words but hey....im a dick

**songdog** · 01-21-2017, 10:06 AM

There is most likely a high BA content you can cut it with sterile oil this will help.

**01dragonslayer** · 01-22-2017, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by BobCrowley

Thanks for the responses. What are my options here?

My idea was to immediately stop injecting, order some sterile grapeseed oil, and attempt another injection once I can cut the gear. Since this is a long ester, and I have only done three injections, this seems like a reasonable course of action. If the dilluted gear still causes problems, I will just end the cycle (would PCT or a mini-PCT be advised after four injections?)

I failed to mention that the gear is the standard 250mg/ml, so unless this is mega-overdosed, it has to be a solvent issue right? Will diluting help this?

Also, an update on my symptoms: glute pip is still severe, it is hard to walk, but my fever went away last night around 2 AM, I feel much better today, so it seems my "test flu" is at least getting shorter every time.. maybe.

This is what I would do....bear the sides until you can get another vial(ASAP) from a different brewer. Then rather than wasting what you already have mix half your dose with new batch and see how that treats ya.

**BobCrowley** · 01-24-2017, 07:18 AM

Hello all, yesterday I decided to give it one more chance and pinned 0.6 ml from a different vial, and the result was the same. I contacted the seller and this was the response:

We deeply apologize for the problem.
All of our finished products had been strictly tested for sterility and contents （main component).
Yesterday we received a complain like yours so we took one vial from the same batch and did a complete components analyze.
The result came back shows the Benzyl alcohol (BA) contained was over dosed. Germs are out of question, the over dosed BA is the reason that cause severe PIP and swollen.
We have destroyed this batch of Test C and urgently recalling every vials we had shipped out to customers. we have reviewed and fixed production protocol so that this problem will not happen again.
There were 3 Test C in your order, we will refund it to you right now and will send you 3 free qualified vials on Feb 5th when Chinese New year holiday ends.
Please send me your Bitcoin wallet number for the refund.

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Can overdosed BA cause fever?

**01dragonslayer** · 01-24-2017, 07:50 AM

Originally Posted by BobCrowley

Hello all, yesterday I decided to give it one more chance and pinned 0.6 ml from a different vial, and the result was the same. I contacted the seller and this was the response:

We deeply apologize for the problem.
All of our finished products had been strictly tested for sterility and contents （main component).
Yesterday we received a complain like yours so we took one vial from the same batch and did a complete components analyze.
The result came back shows the Benzyl alcohol (BA) contained was over dosed. Germs are out of question, the over dosed BA is the reason that cause severe PIP and swollen.
We have destroyed this batch of Test C and urgently recalling every vials we had shipped out to customers. we have reviewed and fixed production protocol so that this problem will not happen again.
There were 3 Test C in your order, we will refund it to you right now and will send you 3 free qualified vials on Feb 5th when Chinese New year holiday ends.
Please send me your Bitcoin wallet number for the refund.

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Can overdosed BA cause fever?

I have read that high doses of benzyl alcohol can cause reactions like you are having and with some will cause low grade fevers.