Testicle recovery question

[NormalDude]

So after a cycle of test + primo did hcg 1000 a week for 5 weeks before pct. Then pct for 3 weeks of clomid and nolva last day was 12/25. My balls still feel small not the normal size and I still have no sex drive. Did I break something? I don't know if maybe the pills were old? Or

[DocToxin8]

How long was the cycle? How long did u juice without hcg ?
And when I say 1000u a week, u mean 500u x 2 weekly?

And 3 weeks on SERMS may have been a little short also.

[NormalDude]

How long was the cycle?

12 weeks

How long did u juice without hcg ?

The first 9 weeks of the cycle. Started hcg on week 10 and went for 5 weeks.

And when I say 1000u a week, u mean 500u x 2 weekly?

Yes 500u twice a week.

And 3 weeks on SERMS may have been a little short also.

Did I fuck up?

[NormalDude]

Also should I just run another pct? Would that get me going again?

[boisebeast]

What was your dosage for the clomid/nolva? I would have gone for a 4 week PCT personally

[yeahbuddy289]

HCG is generally ran during the cycle at 250ius 2x a week up until pct. PTC usually consists of clomid for 4 weeks (100/100/50/50) and nova for 6 weeks (40/40/20/20/20/20)

[NormalDude]

So can I just run a pct now and try to get going?

[DocToxin8]

Ofcourse you can run another PCT now to try to jump start the system.
Do a blood test first and see what your levels of LH and FSH are.
If they are low, then you'll need SERMs to stimulate the pituitary, which in turn will stimulate the testicles.
If they are normal, maybe some short burst protocol with hcg may bring your balls in order. (Will probably need something to control E2 while doing that)

Got a friend who's only running hcg and estrogen control at the moment to try to get kids, I can ask him what his specific protocol consists of.
(He's favorite compound is trenbolone , which he's run for 6 months straight and such, so no wonder he's having problems, but I think it looks hopeful for him)

[NormalDude]

Ofcourse you can run another PCT now to try to jump start the system.
Do a blood test first and see what your levels of LH and FSH are.
If they are low, then you'll need SERMs to stimulate the pituitary, which in turn will stimulate the testicles.
If they are normal, maybe some short burst protocol with hcg may bring your balls in order. (Will probably need something to control E2 while doing that)

Got a friend who's only running hcg and estrogen control at the moment to try to get kids, I can ask him what his specific protocol consists of.
(He's favorite compound is trenbolone, which he's run for 6 months straight and such, so no wonder he's having problems, but I think it looks hopeful for him)

Short burst protocol hmmm. I do have enough test -e for a full cycle and I have 5000 hcg. Would it be ok to just run a full cycle?

[ScotchGuard02]

Short burst protocol hmmm. I do have enough test -e for a full cycle and I have 5000 hcg. Would it be ok to just run a full cycle?

You're not back to normal. Running another cycle now could compound your problems. What would happen if you NEVER got you libido back? Life would be a little boring. There's no rush, take your time. Get your blood work back to normal. Stay "clean" for long enough so your libido and sexual functions comes back to normal. It may take a year. Don't rush it, you could make the issues permanent. That's the risk of running AAS.

[NormalDude]

You're not back to normal. Running another cycle now could compound your problems. What would happen if you NEVER got you libido back? Life would be a little boring. There's no rush, take your time. Get your blood work back to normal. Stay "clean" for long enough so your libido and sexual functions comes back to normal. It may take a year. Don't rush it, you could make the issues permanent. That's the risk of running AAS.

Blood work it is then. Let me change what I said. I still get horny just not as much. I still have libido but not as strong.

[DocToxin8]

Blood work it is then. Let me change what I said. I still get horny just not as much. I still have libido but not as strong.

But that's the initial symptoms of low T. (Ofcourse if u compare to how u were on cycle expect it to be a bit less). But otherwise it's the lust, not the ability to get an erection, that's the intial symptoms of low T.
Do bloodwork, and if u have low T try another PCT protocol.
I know they've used clomid for TRT, (or instead of TRT to be technical),
so it might be that just using a single SERM might be enough.
But whatever the case, try to fix your natural test production before jumping on a new cycle. You don't need to run another cycle to do more PCT meds.

[NormalDude]

But that's the initial symptoms of low T. (Ofcourse if u compare to how u were on cycle expect it to be a bit less). But otherwise it's the lust, not the ability to get an erection, that's the intial symptoms of low T.
Do bloodwork, and if u have low T try another PCT protocol.
I know they've used clomid for TRT, (or instead of TRT to be technical),
so it might be that just using a single SERM might be enough.
But whatever the case, try to fix your natural test production before jumping on a new cycle. You don't need to run another cycle to do more PCT meds.

That was a question I had. I would be ok running a full pct like stated in this thread? I will go get bloods this week.

[Tovarasu]

Don`t panic you will get back, my endo said that usually you need 6 months to fully recover with a standard cycle meaning 2-3 months.

[NormalDude]

What are the correct numbers for LH and FSH for a 40 year old man

[Quester]

Ofcourse you can run another PCT now to try to jump start the system.
Do a blood test first and see what your levels of LH and FSH are.
If they are low, then you'll need SERMs to stimulate the pituitary, which in turn will stimulate the testicles.
If they are normal, maybe some short burst protocol with hcg may bring your balls in order. (Will probably need something to control E2 while doing that)

Got a friend who's only running hcg and estrogen control at the moment to try to get kids, I can ask him what his specific protocol consists of.
(He's favorite compound is trenbolone, which he's run for 6 months straight and such, so no wonder he's having problems, but I think it looks hopeful for him)

Hey Doc,
I just found a trt doc. He's started me on hcg 362mg ED and adex 1mg EOD (tiny assed pills that I have trouble splitting). The thinking is that he will transition the hcg to test. Based on what your friend tells you please pm me or post the protocal suggested.
Thanks

[NormalDude]

Ofcourse you can run another PCT now to try to jump start the system.
Do a blood test first and see what your levels of LH and FSH are.
If they are low, then you'll need SERMs to stimulate the pituitary, which in turn will stimulate the testicles.
If they are normal, maybe some short burst protocol with hcg may bring your balls in order. (Will probably need something to control E2 while doing that)

Got a friend who's only running hcg and estrogen control at the moment to try to get kids, I can ask him what his specific protocol consists of.
(He's favorite compound is trenbolone, which he's run for 6 months straight and such, so no wonder he's having problems, but I think it looks hopeful for him)

Blood work came back

LH - 2.0
FSH - 1.6

Both at the bottom of the scale. Does this mean run a full pct of clomid and nolva?

[Mr.BB]

Blood work came back

LH - 2.0
FSH - 1.6

Both at the bottom of the scale. Does this mean run a full pct of clomid and nolva?

It means nothing without the rest of the bloodwork values.

How long since you taken clomid and nolva you had this bloodwork?

Does the clomid and nolva were pharma grade (non-ugl, non liquid) ?

[NormalDude]

It means nothing without the rest of the bloodwork values.

How long since you taken clomid and nolva you had this bloodwork?

Does the clomid and nolva were pharma grade (non-ugl, non liquid) ?

My last dose was 12/25. What other stats did you want off the blood work? They are pill from Balkin

[Mr.BB]

Balkin?!?

Could it be Balkan?

Last dosage of nolva/clomid was on christmas day?

[NormalDude]

Balkin?!?

Could it be Balkan?

Last dosage of nolva/clomid was on christmas day?

Yes sorry for the typo Balkan. The last dose was xmas day. I took this blood test this past Monday.

[Mr.BB]

And the rest of the bloodwork?

[NormalDude]

Balkin?!?

Could it be Balkan?

Last dosage of nolva/clomid was on christmas day?

Also my testosterone serum is 94. Estradiol is <6.0. TSH is 1.970.

[NormalDude]

And the rest of the bloodwork?

Also my testosterone serum is 94. Estradiol is <6.0. TSH is 1.970

[Mr.BB]

94 what?? We need units. Its hard to help when you dont post the full bloodwork.

[NormalDude]

94 what?? We need units. Its hard to help when you dont post the full bloodwork.

My fault I didn't add it.

Testosterone is 94 ng/dL
LH is 2.0 mlU/ml
FSH is 1.6 mlU/ml
TSH is 1.970 ulU/mL
Estradiol is <6.0 pg/ml

[Mr.BB]

Well, 94 ng/dl is really low.

The PCT did not work.

You can try a power PCT, or you will need TRT.

[DocToxin8]

Are there any chance you got some long estered AAS still in your system?
That's almost like zero T and zero response from the HPTA.

(Still awaiting answer from my friend about his hcg &adex regimen, he's on holiday)

If you ended PCT in December it seems unlikely, but I know that when using f.ex equipoise I've seen on my own blood tests that even 2 months later (after last pin) there was still enough AAS in me to prevent recovery.

But I'm starting to think TRT will be the answer here.

See how the hcg and adex protocol goes,
apart from the hcg dose I think the adex dose sounds familiar,
(He was also complaining about trouble splitting those small anastrozole tablets), and do more bloodwork.

[NormalDude]

A small update I started a new PCT last Wednesday. Doing Clomid (100/100/50/50) and Nolva (40/40/20/20/20/20) and the testicles are growing a little.