TRT Questions

**Boneslapper2002** · 01-22-2017, 08:53 PM

Ok guys I am trying to figure out this TRT, I am looking at doing a self TRT with the following dose:

TEST E 90mg twice a week 180 mg total
ADEX .25 EOD

So my T Levels are on the low side (407) range is 347 - 1192
1) Can a TRT help to increase T Levels eventually or is this something I will have to take for life to keep my T Levels up?

2) Is 180 mg of TEST E a good TRT or should I go lower?

3) Is .25 mg of ADEX EOD too much?

4) Should I still take HCG ?

5) When and If I come off of a TRT regimen will I need to still do a PCT the same as if I were on a cycle? ( i.e Clomid, Nolvadex )

6) Being that this is a TRT will I still need caber?

**Euroholic** · 01-22-2017, 10:46 PM

Trt is a life long commitment its not something you just go on then go off. Have you seen a doctor about it?

**01dragonslayer** · 01-23-2017, 08:07 AM

Originally Posted by Boneslapper2002

Ok guys I am trying to figure out this TRT, I am looking at doing a self TRT with the following dose:

TEST E 90mg twice a week 180 mg total
ADEX .25 EOD

So my T Levels are on the low side (407) range is 347 - 1192
1) Can a TRT help to increase T Levels eventually or is this something I will have to take for life to keep my T Levels up?

2) Is 180 mg of TEST E a good TRT or should I go lower?

3) Is .25 mg of ADEX EOD too much?

4) Should I still take HCG ?

5) When and If I come off of a TRT regimen will I need to still do a PCT the same as if I were on a cycle? ( i.e Clomid, Nolvadex )

6) Being that this is a TRT will I still need caber?

1. Yes, TRTis prescribed from an endo doc with regular 6mo. check-ups and blood work.
2. It will all depend on the doc's advice. Initially its like a 'Trial & Error" type process to keep levels in particular ranges.
3. May be a little high.
4. IMO....No.
5. You do not discontinue TRT
6. No

TRT is prescribed testosterone therapy through an endocrinologist for males who have abnormoally low testosterone levels .

**ScotchGuard02** · 01-23-2017, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by Boneslapper2002

Ok guys I am trying to figure out this TRT, I am looking at doing a self TRT with the following dose:

TEST E 90mg twice a week 180 mg total
ADEX .25 EOD

So my T Levels are on the low side (407) range is 347 - 1192
1) Can a TRT help to increase T Levels eventually or is this something I will have to take for life to keep my T Levels up? You start TRT because your body will no longer produce sufficient level of Test. So yes, you have to take Test for life to keep your T level up.

2) Is 180 mg of TEST E a good TRT or should I go lower? I would start with 100mg/wk. Take Test Cyp, it's a little longer ester than Test E so you can get away with pinning once a week.

3) Is .25 mg of ADEX EOD too much? Start there, run your TRT for a couple of months and do blood work. You'll be able to tell if the 100mg/wk and .25mg/eod is working.

4) Should I still take HCG ? Nay, you don't need it. If you want to show your boys off in the locker room then you might consider taking HCG.

5) When and If I come off of a TRT regimen will I need to still do a PCT the same as if I were on a cycle? ( i.e Clomid, Nolvadex ) When you're on TRT there no coming off. Why would you come off? Your body's not producing Test, remember? Just stay on for life and enjoy the benefits.

6) Being that this is a TRT will I still need caber?

Caber is to control prolactin not progesterone. You're not taking 19-nor's so you don't need caber.

**Boneslapper2002** · 01-23-2017, 08:21 PM

Originally Posted by ScotchGuard02

Caber is to control prolactin not progesterone. You're not taking 19-nor's so you don't need caber.

Hi Scotchgaurd

Do you think its possible that I will qualify for TRT with my TLevels 401 range is 347-1192

**600@50** · 01-23-2017, 09:33 PM

For TRT purposes there's really no reason to pin twice a week with test e. There would be no noticeable hormone level change with that ester. Twice a week pinning could get old quick. Also I wouldn't add adex until you did BW to verify if you need it. I speak from close to 24 years of being on TRT. My dose is 200 mg/week of test cyp. I don't need an AI until a much higher dose. Get your test level where you want it and then tweak the E2 if needed.

**Coffeehead** · 01-23-2017, 09:59 PM

Originally Posted by 600@50

For TRT purposes there's really no reason to pin twice a week with test e. There would be no noticeable hormone level change with that ester. Twice a week pinning could get old quick. Also I wouldn't add adex until you did BW to verify if you need it. I speak from close to 24 years of being on TRT. My dose is 200 mg/week of test cyp. I don't need an AI until a much higher dose. Get your test level where you want it and then tweak the E2 if needed.

At that dosage, are you pinning IM or SubQ?

**600@50** · 01-23-2017, 10:09 PM

Originally Posted by Coffeehead

At that dosage, are you pinning IM or SubQ?

Pinning IM with 1.5" 22 ga.

**Boneslapper2002** · 01-23-2017, 10:41 PM

Originally Posted by 600@50

For TRT purposes there's really no reason to pin twice a week with test e. There would be no noticeable hormone level change with that ester. Twice a week pinning could get old quick. Also I wouldn't add adex until you did BW to verify if you need it. I speak from close to 24 years of being on TRT. My dose is 200 mg/week of test cyp. I don't need an AI until a much higher dose. Get your test level where you want it and then tweak the E2 if needed.

So I have a lot of TEST E on hand and I was thinking about using that first along with some DECA since I have been reading some positive things about it (i.e rotator cuff surgery repair) Once I complete my cycle/cycles I will see a endocrinologist for TRT. How long does it take for your T-Levels to go back to normal range after PCT?

**600@50** · 01-24-2017, 12:07 AM

It depends on many factors. Your age, what your levels were before the cycle, your pct protocol but usually you can check 6-8 weeks later and see where the levels are. I went to an endo for years. He was ok with my cycles and what I was doing. I moved about 8 hrs away from where he is and just continued my self prescribed TRT. I just couldn't drive 16+ hrs round trip for a doctor visit. Just know that when you see a doctor your going to have to plan any more cycles to be completed and BW back to normal before you go for a visit.

**Back In Black** · 01-24-2017, 01:30 AM

Why don't you try and see a specialist first and see if you can't get on TRT now?

**Boneslapper2002** · 01-24-2017, 07:58 AM

Originally Posted by Back In Black

Why don't you try and see a specialist first and see if you can't get on TRT now?

I can back in black but what about the gear I have already?
6 - TEST E 250 mg
4 - TREN E 200mg
2 - DECA 300 mg
I know I can cycle the TREN and DECA but what about the TEST?

**Jonbana** · 01-24-2017, 08:05 AM

Scotch whats the risk of aromasin or adex long term while on TRT ? I normally don't run any while on TRT

**Back In Black** · 01-24-2017, 10:26 AM

Originally Posted by Boneslapper2002

I can back in black but what about the gear I have already?
6 - TEST E 250 mg
4 - TREN E 200mg
2 - DECA 300 mg
I know I can cycle the TREN and DECA but what about the TEST?

Put them in a cool dark place. Once your TRT is sorted and you are fully dialled in, then you can worry about a test only cycle. That would be at least 6 months after starting TRT.

You'll be amazed at the benefits of just having 'normal' test levels.

**Boneslapper2002** · 01-24-2017, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by Back In Black

Put them in a cool dark place. Once your TRT is sorted and you are fully dialled in, then you can worry about a test only cycle. That would be at least 6 months after starting TRT.

You'll be amazed at the benefits of just having 'normal' test levels.

I have an appointment to see a endocrinologist on Monday, January 30th.

**Euroholic** · 01-24-2017, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by Boneslapper2002

I have an appointment to see a endocrinologist on Monday, January 30th.

Enjoy

**Back In Black** · 01-24-2017, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by Boneslapper2002

I have an appointment to see a endocrinologist on Monday, January 30th.

That's a great start.

Good luck.

**01dragonslayer** · 01-24-2017, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by Boneslapper2002

I have an appointment to see a endocrinologist on Monday, January 30th.

Good luck dude.

**Coffeehead** · 01-24-2017, 09:17 PM

I have an honest question:

If you suffered from low Test as a result of AAS use, and you were seeking TRT from an endocrinologist...would you tell them that you used AAS? Or do you think revealing that info would hurt your chances of getting on TRT?

**Quester** · 01-24-2017, 09:24 PM

Nothing good could come from that. The endo would almost certainly (99%) put it into your record. Say nothing, even if he prods, and lose nothing. Say something and gain nothing but expose yourself to trouble. What would be the point of that? Dr/patient confidentiality-myth. Your doctor is completely on your side in all things-myth. You are not the primary customer-truth.

**Boneslapper2002** · 01-24-2017, 09:38 PM

Originally Posted by Coffeehead

I have an honest question:

If you suffered from low Test as a result of AAS use, and you were seeking TRT from an endocrinologist...would you tell them that you used AAS? Or do you think revealing that info would hurt your chances of getting on TRT?

Not sure if you are asking me but I don't think the Low T is from AAS I think it's from being 49yrs old however it could be from AAS not sure but I would not mention this to my endocrinologist.

**Coffeehead** · 01-24-2017, 11:07 PM

Originally Posted by Boneslapper2002

Not sure if you are asking me but I don't think the Low T is from AAS I think it's from being 49yrs old however it could be from AAS not sure but I would not mention this to my endocrinologist.

I wasn't assuming that actually. I was more just curious how those who suffer from low-T should approach it. I wasn't sure if being upfront and honest about AAS use (if that's what caused it) is relevant and/or beneficial to mention.

I had my primary care doctor ask me if I had taken AAS prior to even taking AAS just because I requested a full hormone panel to check my levels. She asked me very straight-forward, "Why, are you taking any steroids ???"

I looked at myself and was like "No, but I'll take that as a compliment." (I wasn't even that big, just lean AF)

So if I seriously had an issue I was just curious how it should be approached. I figured there are many on this board that would know the best route if my T-levels take a nose dive in the future - AAS induced or otherwise.

**01dragonslayer** · 01-25-2017, 08:01 AM

Originally Posted by Coffeehead

I have an honest question:

If you suffered from low Test as a result of AAS use, and you were seeking TRT from an endocrinologist...would you tell them that you used AAS? Or do you think revealing that info would hurt your chances of getting on TRT?

I am not sure on this but I don't think he can deny you treatment from prior AS use. You have a medical condition NOW from something you did in the past. The doc may discontinue treatment if you are non-compliant(meaning you abuse it). Whether or not insurance would cover it is another question. He most likely read you a riot act when you visit but as a practicing Endocrinologist in good standing I have a hard time believing he would turn you down.