Debunk these myths for me

**Octaneforce** · 01-25-2017, 05:28 PM

Ive heard alot of BS over the years from misinformed athletes (we all have). 2 things ive heard that i know arent true but ive never really heard otherwise are this:

1." Injecting into the muscle that you work that day will help you make gains faster at the injection site. Working arms that day? Pin your biceps so they grow faster. "

I think that got started because excercising a muscle helps distribute the oil and prevents PIP.

2. " HCG burns fat so injecting it into your stomach will help you lean out and give you abs"

Jesus this one got me laughing. I know hcg is used by some women to burn fat (which i dont think works), but i think this myth started because the stomach is a common subq injection site.

Just looking to discuss not trying to hate on anyones methods.

**Nephets** · 01-25-2017, 05:34 PM

I like the myth, sit-ups for targeted fat loss. I tell the girls at work that I've never seen a 200lb woman with ripped abs when they throw this shit at me.

**Octaneforce** · 01-25-2017, 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by Nephets

I like the myth, sit-ups for targeted fat loss. I tell the girls at work that I've never seen a 200lb woman with ripped abs when they throw this shit at me.

Yeah i hear that all the time too lol. Or even better, "i just wanna be toned i dont want to bulk up".

**DocToxin8** · 01-25-2017, 05:45 PM

Nr 1)
The idea is that site injection will stretch the muscle fascia,
just like inflating the muscle with synthol.
There might be some merit to this when it comes to small muscle groups, but you would need to inject plenty of oil. So test prop at 25mg/ml would be kinda like synthol. As you could very well inject 3ml into each biceps head ED over some time, (mind you this is dangerous and could damage the muscle),
but I suspect you could increase the size of the biceps with such an approach,
though not something I would try myself, as I suspect the size you gain isn't "real" muscle. By that mean, I'm not so sure you would get a stronger muscle, simply a bigger one.

However, this is all theory. Somebody with experience of synthol might answer this better. But in theory I think injecting oil into small muscle groups might cause growth.

2) hcg burning fat.
Yes I've heard hcg might burn fat, but not site specific.
It would make sense that hcg could increase androgen levels and this fat burning, and maybe through some other mechanisms as well, but I very much doubt any site specific action. At least I've never noticed that myself.

**Euroholic** · 01-25-2017, 05:47 PM

What do people mean when they say "toned"????? What the fuck is that

**Myers** · 01-25-2017, 05:50 PM

"I need to convert fat to muscle, i don't need to cut" - some fat dude from my gym.

**Euroholic** · 01-25-2017, 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by Myers

"I need to convert fat to muscle, i don't need to cut" - some fat dude from my gym.

Converting fat to muscle would be the dream

**Quester** · 01-25-2017, 05:56 PM

80 years young!

**Nephets** · 01-25-2017, 06:27 PM

A work associate who I usually talk gym stuff to for the past 2 yrs seemed like a semi knowledgeable guy when It came to fitness, mind you we never had any deep or overly technical chats. Just general... hey what did you work on today...Yada Yada. Ya I do cardio in the morning too bla bla bla. He said this to me last month. He needs to convert some of his fat to muscle. I was shocked. I didn't know what to say. He runs marathons. His wife is a nurse for fuck sakes. I don't even think I corrected him. Not even sure I spoke another word. I just turned and walked away. I must have looked nuts.

**Octaneforce** · 01-25-2017, 06:47 PM

Originally Posted by Nephets

A work associate who I usually talk gym stuff to for the past 2 yrs seemed like a semi knowledgeable guy when It came to fitness, mind you we never had any deep or overly technical chats. Just general... hey what did you work on today...Yada Yada. Ya I do cardio in the morning too bla bla bla. He said this to me last month. He needs to convert some of his fat to muscle. I was shocked. I didn't know what to say. He runs marathons. His wife is a nurse for fuck sakes. I don't even think I corrected him. Not even sure I spoke another word. I just turned and walked away. I must have looked nuts.

Its amazing what people say sometimes
Lol. Hey whatever gets them in the gym, right?

**Capebuffalo** · 01-25-2017, 07:10 PM

My ass would be huge from injections. Lol

**hollowedzeus** · 01-26-2017, 04:40 AM

I heard somewhere that because the injection site may experience some pain you are supposed to feel a better mind-muscle connection.

For example I've heard of people injecting into there lats in order to feel the pain when fully contracting there muscle.

I have no idea how much merit is in this but I know that if I have sore muscles then I go ahead and work them out, you definetly have a better connection to when you are fully contracted.

**DocToxin8** · 01-26-2017, 06:52 AM

Converting fat to muscle has to be the most widespread myth around I think.
But, while it's impossible to convert lipocytes to myocytes,
a power lifter/shot put athlete I know told me something I think he's right about; "by simply gaining fat, you can gain strength as well"
Ofcourse this won't necessarily be true.
But for a power lifter or a shot put athlete, the extra bodyweight translates into more power once movement is started. Same as with a sumo wrestler.

Another myth, or more accurately a statement, is;
"I don't want to gain to much muscles"
This is usually from women that begin training.
I simply tell them that I don't ever think that's going to be an issue,
(especially with that mind set) I could add.

**Nephets** · 01-26-2017, 07:02 AM

that is a common one Doc. If only it were that easy for a woman to drop fat and gain muscle so fast and uncontrollably that they would be left with a body they didn't want.

**fit_deskjocky** · 01-26-2017, 10:32 AM

When she says, "I don't want to lift weights, I will get bulky"

**Obs** · 01-26-2017, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by Capebuffalo

My ass would be huge from injections. Lol

Exactly! Spot injections are not productive towards gains in a specific area. Injecting a group you will be working will cause a spike in absorption though. I like to shoot a glute and squat ir deadlift.

**DocToxin8** · 01-26-2017, 10:43 AM

But comparing a glute shoot, or quad, or whatever big muscle, with several ml's of oil injected often, into a small muscle like the biceps, isn't really a valid comparison IMO.

Not saying site injecting works, as I don't know for sure myself,
but why would synthol work and not the same amount of oil in the form of AAS?

**marcus300** · 01-26-2017, 10:49 AM

Originally Posted by DocToxin8

But comparing a glute shoot, or quad, or whatever big muscle, with several ml's of oil injected often, into a small muscle like the biceps, isn't really a valid comparison IMO.

Not saying site injecting works, as I don't know for sure myself,
but why would synthol work and not the same amount of oil in the form of AAS?

Your correct, injecting into a smaller muscle group will aid growth but not because its a steroid , its the volume of oil like you stated before. That's why if you do a proper synthol protocol it will help certain lagging body parts.

**Couchlock** · 01-26-2017, 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by Nephets

A work associate who I usually talk gym stuff to for the past 2 yrs seemed like a semi knowledgeable guy when It came to fitness, mind you we never had any deep or overly technical chats. Just general... hey what did you work on today...Yada Yada. Ya I do cardio in the morning too bla bla bla. He said this to me last month. He needs to convert some of his fat to muscle. I was shocked. I didn't know what to say. He runs marathons. His wife is a nurse for fuck sakes. I don't even think I corrected him. Not even sure I spoke another word. I just turned and walked away. I must have looked nuts.

So converting cells into different cells. Lol very interesting.

Id say "are you a plant? Or is your fat made up exclusively by stem cells that could do this phenomenon"?

Converting fat to muscle, sheeit. They mean "I need to loose fat and gain lean muscle" I.E.--> "body recomp"

**Nephets** · 01-26-2017, 12:07 PM

I think it was more along the lines of, I got to keep some of this fat so I can turn it into muscle. There was not confusion...at least on my end. haha

**DocToxin8** · 01-26-2017, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by Nephets

I think it was more along the lines of, I got to keep some of this fat so I can turn it into muscle. There was not confusion...at least on my end. haha

It's actually not that uncommon.
Some say they will convert it to muscle, which I think Couchs stem cell/plant example explained very well.
Others say they need to gain fat to gain muscle.
This is more difficult to disprove.
Yes, a caloric surplus is great for growth.
Why do some bodybuilders pack on fat after all?
(Cause they're using insulin with a caloric surplus.....)

But anyway, some seem to equal that you need to gain fat to gain muscle.
I've never done it that way though.
Would it be more effective, don't know.

**ScotchGuard02** · 01-26-2017, 08:22 PM

Originally Posted by Octaneforce

Ive heard alot of BS over the years from misinformed athletes (we all have). 2 things ive heard that i know arent true but ive never really heard otherwise are this:

1." Injecting into the muscle that you work that day will help you make gains faster at the injection site. Working arms that day? Pin your biceps so they grow faster. " I wonder if they're mixing AAS with peptide like igf-lr3. The theory of igf-lr3 is that site injection after workout is supposed to get the peptide attach and affect the beta receptors in the muscle that was just worked. I've done several igf-lr3 cycles and I never saw any noticeable site muscle growth. AAS is an oil and doesn't work on beta receptors so site injection and site growth doesn't make sense. If you were to dilute your AAS, to say, 100mg/10ml then injecting that much oil would literally inflate the injected area. The issue with syntol is that it destroys the muscle integrity. No definition, no striation, just a big round blob.

I think that got started because excercising a muscle helps distribute the oil and prevents PIP.

2. " HCG burns fat so injecting it into your stomach will help you lean out and give you abs" The whole HCG + 500cal/day to lose weight fad came and went fast. The theory was that the HCG was suppose to increase the integrity of the muscle as the severe lack of calories are stripping away fat and muscle. I say that 99% of the weight loss was due to the fact that you're eating 500cals/day when your TDEE is 2000cals/day or 3500cals/day. HGH is supposed to "burn" local injection area fat. Listen, I inject HGH into the exact same area of my belly for two straight years. That's 700 days, 1400 injections (one in the AM and one in the PM). Know how much localized fat loss I got? About 1.5 inch in diameter and that's being optimistic. I haven't found any AAS or peptide that works locally. This industry is very experimental. If there is such a compound it would spread like wild fire. There just isn't, that I know of.

Jesus this one got me laughing. I know hcg is used by some women to burn fat (which i dont think works), but i think this myth started because the stomach is a common subq injection site.

Just looking to discuss not trying to hate on anyones methods.

There's no substitute for hard work and good nutrition. There are so many fad diets, exercises, home gyms, exercise guru's, and weight loss magic. Everything comes back down to hard work, discipline, and proper nutrition. When you add AAS to that mix, you get great results. Any other short cut and people run into trouble.

**Marsoc** · 01-27-2017, 12:42 AM

Originally Posted by Euroholic

What do people mean when they say "toned"????? What the fuck is that

Toned is like...being Lean with some muscle

**Marsoc** · 01-27-2017, 12:44 AM

Originally Posted by Nephets

A work associate who I usually talk gym stuff to for the past 2 yrs seemed like a semi knowledgeable guy when It came to fitness, mind you we never had any deep or overly technical chats. Just general... hey what did you work on today...Yada Yada. Ya I do cardio in the morning too bla bla bla. He said this to me last month. He needs to convert some of his fat to muscle. I was shocked. I didn't know what to say. He runs marathons. His wife is a nurse for fuck sakes. I don't even think I corrected him. Not even sure I spoke another word. I just turned and walked away. I must have looked nuts.

He probaly meant tht descriptively ..just saying he needs to make it go away and revel his muscle

**Marsoc** · 01-27-2017, 12:47 AM

Originally Posted by marcus300

Your correct, injecting into a smaller muscle group will aid growth but not because its a steroid, its the volume of oil like you stated before. That's why if you do a proper synthol protocol it will help certain lagging body parts.

How so..just from the oil stretching the muscle fibers or so.

**DocToxin8** · 01-27-2017, 01:05 AM

Originally Posted by Marsoc

How so..just from the oil stretching the muscle fibers or so.

The theory is that the muscle fascia (a mesh work or support structure thight around the muscle restricts growth), the oil will stretch the muscle fascia long enough for growth to happen.

However, be aware that the muscle fascia is actually very important for muscle strength. I wouldn't fuck with it by using synthol unless you know you care more about bringing up lagging body parts than the strength of those body parts. Someone with intimate knowledge on this might explain and ease my fears,but I would also worry about the sheer number (and how often)of injects needed.

But using some ml's of AAS into the biceps and triceps now and then seems to me to get the muscle growing a little in a safe way.
I only think this works the first few times you've done it though, and I have no proof, I just imagine my arms grew a little (not much at all), the first few times I injected into them.
Now I would need a much larger volume of oil and more often, if in fact I ever got any site specific growth at all.
But with synthol or the same volume with AAS you will expand the muscle.

Haven't you noticed how many bodybuilders have big arms today compared to before? Their arms are not proportional to the body. That's synthol IMO.

**ScotchGuard02** · 01-27-2017, 08:28 AM

Originally Posted by DocToxin8

Haven't you noticed how many bodybuilders have big arms today compared to before? Their arms are not proportional to the body. That's synthol IMO.

I curl them dumbbells until my biceps cramp. My arms just doesn't grow proportionately like the pro's. I just can't get myself to use synthol. I don't want to look big bad enough to use synthol.

**DocToxin8** · 01-27-2017, 09:09 AM

Originally Posted by ScotchGuard02

I curl them dumbbells until my biceps cramp. My arms just doesn't grow proportionately like the pro's. I just can't get myself to use synthol. I don't want to look big bad enough to use synthol.

But thing is, when I see you avi, your arms ARE proportional to your body.
It's just that we've begin to get accustomed to arms that are DISproportionate.
Look at the bodybuilders in Arnold's times.
Then look now, and don't look at the Mr. Olympias, as they usually are massive all over, but look at lower level bodybuilders. It's often easier to spot it on some of them, as they don't necessarily have that huge mass all over, but arms big as fuck.