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    First cycle log+questions

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    I've been training since 15 years old

    Okay first some backround: I've been training since high school then later I wanted to cycle and I came to this forum. The advice i got was to wait until I'm 25 so I did. In the last few years Ive been learning how to diet and getting the perfect diet/training for my body. I've done carb cycling, keto, lean bulking, IF etc. Im really glad I didnt cycle at 21 cause since then Ive made tremendous gains and Im leaner than ever. Last year I decided to push my natural limits so I hired a company that does meal prep so my nutrition was 100% or as close as possible I trained as hard as possible and used whey, creatine, BCAA's and I used some clen . I got amazing results and despite my weight remaining the same I gained some muscle and lost a lot of fat enough for my abs to show which was my goal. Also I reached new PBs in benchpress (300lb).

    Okay so on to my first cycle. Basicly I followed Austunite's Blue print for a first cycle to the letter and it will look like this:
    - Week 1 to 12: Testosterone enanthate @ 250 mg every 3.5 days (500mg/week total)
    - Week 1 to 12: hCG @ 250 iu every 3.5 days (500 iu/week total)
    - Week 1 to 14: Arimidex @ 0.25mg every other day

    I also have extra Nolva(Tamoxifen ) on hand in case of Gyno and Ive been taking NAC for the last month at 1200mg and Ill take it at 600mg throughout the cycle as well as the PCT ( Ive really been feeling great on NAC Id recomend it to anyone).

    How does it sound to you guys?

    My PCT:

    Clomid 75/50/50/50 Nolva 40/20/20/20 just like the sticky said.
    Notes on that?

    Syringes and needles:
    Okay I got 100 3cc Plungers
    100 18gx1.5 needles to draw with
    100 23gx1 needles to inject with
    Ive been struggling to find insulin syringes for the Hcg will it be fine if I use the 3cc Plunger with a 27g needle to inject with?
    Ill go look around some more to see if I cant find the Slin needles and syringes.
    I also got alcohol wipes and sterile gloves to make sure everything is sterile.

    Okay on to some question:
    1. In terms of storage will it only be the reconstituted Hcg that I store in the fridge? The test comes in 1 ml amps at 250mg test E per mil and I can store that at room temp in a dark closet if I'm not mistaken?
    2. What is the protocol that I need to follow if i start getting gyno? I've been hearing a lot of different advice and I've concluded that Letro isn't a good option even though i can get access to it if need be and that Tamoxifen is the way to go, is that correct?
    3. What should my protein be on cycle, 1.5g per LB of LBM like Austunite said in the sticky or should I up it a bit to take advantage of the increased protein synthesis?

    Final notes: Ive hired the same company to do my meal prep for me for the next 4 months as to maximize my gains while staying lean. My goal with this cycle is to gain some lean mass and go beyond my natural limits. Also all my gear is Pharma grade.

    Feel free to impart some wisdom and ask me anything that I might have left out

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    1. You need to buy Bac water. You can get it for twelve bucks at bac water dot com. Toss the sterile water that comes with it. Yes store it in the fridge after you reconstitute it. Yes you can use a 3ml syringe but you will have to add extra bac water to make measuring it manageable. I reconstituted mine to be 1/4 ML per 250 IU and I inject it in the same syringe as my test.

    2. If you start getting gyno start taking 40 MG of nolva a day til the sides go away and then take 20 til you get your AI dialed in.

    3. Austunite knows what hes doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rt4man View Post
    18G needle is too big to draw with. Try a 21, 18 can damage the rubber plug. Everything else looks textbook for a first cycle!

    1. You need to buy Bac water. You can get it for twelve bucks at bac water dot com. Toss the sterile water that comes with it. Yes store it in the fridge after you reconstitute it. Yes you can use a 3ml syringe but you will have to add extra bac water to make measuring it manageable. I reconstituted mine to be 1/4 ML per 250 IU and I inject it in the same syringe as my test.

    2. If you start getting gyno start taking 40 MG of nolva a day til the sides go away and then take 20 til you get your AI dialed in.

    3. Austunite knows what hes doing.
    Okay thanks Ill get some bac water and 21G needles. I have everything else im just holding off untill I've made sure everything is 100%

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    Cycle looks good answer's to your questions
    1, yes only hcg in the fridge
    2, take Nolvadex and get estradiol checked if it's high increase AI dose.
    3, protein as long as your getting enough it won't make a huge difference 1.5ibs per pound is good.
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    I wouldn't recommend using a 23g to inject with go for a 25g 1 inch but it's up to you you.

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    18g needles are fine to draw, you have amps not vials. I draw with a 19g from amps.

    I use a 23g 1.25" for gluteus and 23g 1" for other sites. 1" might not be long enough depending how much fat you have on your glutes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Back In Black View Post
    18g needles are fine to draw, you have amps not vials. I draw with a 19g from amps.

    I use a 23g 1.25" for gluteus and 23g 1" for other sites. 1" might not be long enough depending how much fat you have on your glutes.
    I dont have much fat at all on my glutes so it should be fine. And what is the best sote to inject hcg into? In the fat around the naval?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rt4man View Post
    1. You need to buy Bac water. You can get it for twelve bucks at bac water dot com. Toss the sterile water that comes with it. Yes store it in the fridge after you reconstitute it. Yes you can use a 3ml syringe but you will have to add extra bac water to make measuring it manageable. I reconstituted mine to be 1/4 ML per 250 IU and I inject it in the same syringe as my test.

    2. If you start getting gyno start taking 40 MG of nolva a day til the sides go away and then take 20 til you get your AI dialed in.

    3. Austunite knows what hes doing.
    I got insulin pins today 0.5ml so the measuring wont be a problem anymore

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    Update: I got my gear today and everything seems G2g. My hcg came with 2ml bac water so no worries on that. Ill start my first pin tomorow. What would be the best time to pin? And does it have to be the same time every week. I mean if you pin at 6am in the morning should I pin 6am that following week too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deon5 View Post
    Update: I got my gear today and everything seems G2g. My hcg came with 2ml bac water so no worries on that. Ill start my first pin tomorow. What would be the best time to pin? And does it have to be the same time every week. I mean if you pin at 6am in the morning should I pin 6am that following week too?
    are you sure the hCG came with bac water and not sterile water?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog View Post

    are you sure the hCG came with bac water and not sterile water?
    It says Bacteriostatic water on the vial so Im sure yes. I asked my supplier earlier and he confirmed that it is Bac water and that i can just keep it in the fridge it will be fine

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    UPDATE:

    So I did my second pin today. Everything is going great I barely have any PIP which is great. I am struggling to break the Arimidex pills into smaller pieces with great accuracy? Is this a problem or should it be fine. I have 1mg tabs so i have to break them in 4 pieces and because their so small they not always the same size. What about taking .5mg every 4days or so or would that cause to much of an influx?
    Other than that everything seems solid. I bought a surgical surface cleaner spray and that sope the surgins use for for operarions to wash my hands before every injection and I also wear operating gloves to ensure I dont get any infections.

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    Get a pill splitter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deon5 View Post
    UPDATE:

    I am struggling to break the Arimidex pills into smaller pieces with great accuracy? Is this a problem or should it be fine. I have 1mg tabs so i have to break them in 4 pieces and because their so small they not always the same size.
    it doesn't have to be perfect

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    Log: Second week done

    Pinned my 4th amp this morning. So far so good. I can feel a diffrence already, my workouts have been killer but thats probably placebo. I've already gained 4.5lb so far but that might be due to my diet and training being on point hopefully it continues. Mentally i feel great, I have great mental clarity and I'm very focused.
    Also my sexdrive is waaaay up, just in time for valentines day

    Ive added stomach vacuums every night as part of my ab workout to see how that will affect my waistline. 3 sets of 20 seconds. All round I feel awesome lets hope it stays that way.
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    Log: Starting week 9

    So far its been one hell of a ride I've gained about 20 pounds of mass.As far as I can tell no real fat gain, but I feel bulky as hell. Im really glad I waited to maximize my natural potential before I started.

    Add the gains from the cycle to an already above average body and you will blow people who started juicing and training at the same time out of the water. I also added some B12 and B-complex injections to my weekly routine and it seems to help a lot with appetite.

    I saw somewhere that you can reconsititute your HCG with B12? Anyone who does that. Im thinking of doing it with my second batch that comes next week. Do i still need to use bac water?

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    If you can post some before and after pics Deon. Be interesting to see. Yes, you can mix your hcg with B12 instead of Bac water.
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