DEATHS of bodybuilders secondary to insulin supplementation

[SimbaEighthPortion]

I've done about 7 or 8 cycles, my last one being Tren A 150mg EOD, and for my next cycle I'm considering insulin.

I started a thread already in which I mentioned my entire cycle but I want to focus on the safety (or lack thereof) of taking insulin for bodybuilding.

Individuals in the past have died as a result of taking insulin shots for bodybuilding. We know that much.

I'm told that it only takes one mistake on one shot to kill you. Does anyone have any details on this?

When we talk about the safety of drugs (be they psychoactive, for medicine, or for bodybuilding), we talk about the Fatal-to-Effective Ratio of the drug. Some drugs are really really really easy to overdose on, while others are nearly impossible to overdose on unless it's a deliberate suicide attempt.

So it seems that the FE-Ratio of using insulin for bodybuilding must be quite a short margin.

I have an idea though if I'm going to use insulin for my first time at a medium dose. I could get my vials and pins, and I could set my camera up on a little tripod and talk out loud as I measure the doses and fill each pin, zooming in on the labels showing the concentrations. So I'd prepare all my pins before the beginning of the cycle. Then I'd post a link to the video on this forum and see if a few people would be kind enough to have a look at it. I mean if 5 people watch the video and say that I've done the dosaging right then I reckon I'm safe.

Also make a note on the calendar on the wall in my kitchen for each shot on each day, putting a little tick beside the one's I've already taken (to make sure I don't ever double-dose).

I think that would be safe.

[SimbaEighthPortion]

Also I'm going to dilute the insulin with bacteriostatic water at the beginning so that the volume I inject is much larger, so that it will be easier to get the dosage right.

[DocToxin8]

Wow! Hold your horses!
Sounds like you need to research insulin some more.

Yes, insulin can be very risky.
The effective:OD ratio is actually near 1:1.

By that I mean that if you inject 12U of fast acting insulin (like NovoRapid)
at an empty stomach and don't eat or drink carbohydrates,
that could be enough to put you in coma.
(I think most people would survive though, when the body fights low blood sugar it will release adrenaline to raise glucose levels. Growth hormone would also be released to inhibit insulin action - ill come back to that)

So yeah, the same dose you take to grow can kill you.
The thing here is to use it properly.
The standard tip of 10g carbohydrates (with high GI) pr unit of insulin injected, ingested at the same time as the injection, with ample protein, creating and so on is a good place to start.

Buy a glucometer. Just going by the "feel" of hypo is dangerous.
Even with some experience of insulin it's easy to mess up and go hypo,
while not deadly it's fucking unpleasant, and can scare the shit out of you.
I remember one time using long acing slin, with a low dose, and I wa sure no hypo would occur due to me eating good and long acting being easier to handle (but it lasts a long time!), but after training hard I felt both my legs becoming numb and started shaking. And i didn't have any fast acing carbs on me (stupid as fuck, but I though I did but was out), so I had to reach the store and buy some coke, whatever, and fast. That walk scared the shit out of me. Trying to reach the store, getting more and more numb throughout my whole body.
And I was probably not even in any real danger.
I had been eating well and had a protein shake not long before,
but when you feel hypo you know it's dangerous.

What do you mean by a medium dose?

With insulin you start low and titrate up.
You don't need to up the dose until you feel hypo,
but you don't start at 10U either.

[DocToxin8]

Oh, about the release of growth hormone.
Some BB's have tried to use insulin to purposely lower blood sugar to get a GH release. While that works in theory, and in real life it will increase GH release greatly, people have ended up in hospital in a coma from doing that.
I don't know if some have died or suffered brain damage also, but that's what you're risking.

Insulin isnt that dangerous when you know how to use it,
but it isn't for those who can't be very cautious and know what they're doing.

[Quester]

Please don't post a video of you injecting insulin. Live or die, either way it is a crime and it's very likely to bring federal authorities on here.

[Couchlock]

My soon to be wife, is a type 1 diabetic.

Takes a 24 hour long acting shot, as well as quick acting before all things that go in her body.

Insulin is not to be played with.

[SimbaEighthPortion]

Please don't post a video of you injecting insulin. Live or die, either way it is a crime and it's very likely to bring federal authorities on here.

I was only gonna video myself preparing the pins (which ironically would attract more attention from law enforcement than actually pinning myself). I also live in the UK.

By that I mean that if you inject 12U of fast acting insulin (like NovoRapid) at an empty stomach and don't eat or drink carbohydrates, that could be enough to put you in coma.
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The standard tip of 10g carbohydrates (with high GI) pr unit of insulin injected, ingested at the same time as the injection, with ample protein, creating and so on is a good place to start.

Would this be as simple as pouring yourself a glass of water and mixing in a few teaspoons of sugar, and then drinking it quickly? (I'm talking simple table sugar that you put in your tea)

MORE TO THE POINT --- Is the whole insulin thing worth it? I mean if you very carefully prepare the shots, if you take them at exactly the right time, if you throw back a glass of sugar water with them, will you notice much greater gains? (I'll be taking it with Test, Tren, Adrol and Clen)

[SimbaEighthPortion]

A teaspoon of table sugar is 4 grams, so that's 2.5 teaspoons of sugar in a glass of water for every unit of insulin injected.

[Mr.BB]

A teaspoon of table sugar is 4 grams, so that's 2.5 teaspoons of sugar in a glass of water for every unit of insulin injected.

You dont take water with sugar, thats garbage, thats only taken in somekind of emergency.

You use maltodextrin with isolate, if you use short acting slin.

Asked you in the other thread whats your fasting BGL. If you dont know what this is, and dont understand blood sugar and insulin action you should not use insulin, at least till you have an understanding of all this.

Start by buying a glucometer like Doctoxin advised! And read.

[kelkel]

Are you that advanced that you even need to consider insulin?

[SimbaEighthPortion]

Sugar water will do fine. No need for your fancy smansy stuff.

I don't know what my BGL is. I thought only diabetics knew that stuff.

I was just thinking of taking the medium dose of insulin and hoping for the best (or whatever the dose should be for a person's first cycle).

As for being so far advanced that I need to consider insulin... well no I'm not a pro and I don't compete. I just want to be as big as possible before I go overseas in September, and I reckon the way to do that is Trenbolone+Anadrol+Clenbuterol+Insulin.

I've read that Clenbuterol is anabolic too.

[Couchlock]

Sugar water will do fine. No need for your fancy smansy stuff.

I don't know what my BGL is. I thought only diabetics knew that stuff.

I was just thinking of taking the medium dose of insulin and hoping for the best (or whatever the dose should be for a person's first cycle).

As for being so far advanced that I need to consider insulin... well no I'm not a pro and I don't compete. I just want to be as big as possible before I go overseas in September, and I reckon the way to do that is Trenbolone+Anadrol+Clenbuterol+Insulin.

I've read that Clenbuterol is anabolic too.

Lol.

Clen during a bulk. Yep your ready for insulin.

Get both, humalog, and levimir.

You need both for sure....

[SimbaEighthPortion]

Clen during a bulk. Yep your ready for insulin.

Maybe I should have said "as muscular as possible".

I'm not doing your typical Bulking Cycle or Cutting Cycle.

Clenbuterol burns fat, and it is also anabolic. I want it in this cycle for both of those reasons.

[Couchlock]

Maybe I should have said "as muscular as possible".

I'm not doing your typical Bulking Cycle or Cutting Cycle.

Clenbuterol burns fat, and it is also anabolic. I want it in this cycle for both of those reasons.

I just want you to know, it is a powerful substance. Could end up as a diebetic

[DocToxin8]

The fact that you won't be bothered to even google BGL,
when someone that's more experienced says it's something you should know tells me you're not ready for insulin.
(As English isn't my native language I don't use the term BGL,
but i immediately understood what it was simply by reading it:
Hint B & GL is the first letters in what words? Buy a glucometer!)
Sugar and water? That's what we use in an emergency, you can't rely on table sugar, using 100g pr inject. That's 50g fructose for 50g glucose.
Maltodextrin will be digested to only glucose.

And you still haven't explained what you mean by medium dose?

And you don't just need more carbs with slin, protein and amino acids are a must too.

This isn't the compound for the attitude "I don't need that fancy shit"
If you don't hurt yourself you'll atleast be likely to seriously waste the effects of slin. Have you even thought about what type of insulin you're gonna use?

And don't preload all the syringes.
You won't use the same dose from day 1.
You need to be confident enough to know that if you measure out 10U it really IS 10U. Not 5U and certainly not 100U, that's when you might die.

Sorry to be a bit rude here, but your attitude is a little too 'laxed for one who's going to be using insulin for the first time.

Remember, a diabetic usually has glucagon with him. You won't.

[Mr.BB]

Sugar water will do fine. No need for your fancy smansy stuff.

I don't know what my BGL is. I thought only diabetics knew that stuff.

I was just thinking of taking the medium dose of insulin and hoping for the best (or whatever the dose should be for a person's first cycle).

As for being so far advanced that I need to consider insulin... well no I'm not a pro and I don't compete. I just want to be as big as possible before I go overseas in September, and I reckon the way to do that is Trenbolone+Anadrol+Clenbuterol+Insulin.

I've read that Clenbuterol is anabolic too.

Great!

Good luck.

[SimbaEighthPortion]

Sorry to be a bit rude here, but your attitude is a little too 'laxed for one who's going to be using insulin for the first time.

You might be right. I'm gonna mull this over for the next 2 or 3 months.