anyone have experience with epi20 or tren10 by german pharmaceuticals? compounds are as follows...

epi 20 : 2,3a-Epithio-17a-methyletioallo cholan-17b-ol
tren 10 : Estra-4,9,11 -triene-3, 17-dione

havent had orals since pre ban so, can anyone shed some light on these?