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    Gyno symptoms 8th week into 14 week cycle. Please help!

    26 years old.
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    Week 1-14 750 mg test blend
    Week 1-16 Adex .5mg ED
    Week 16-20 nolvadex and clomid PCT

    I am currently on week 8 of cycle. Nipples are sore and starting to swell. Painful to touch/ if anything bumps them. Im currently taking Adex .5mg ED. It isnt helping. Should I add Nolvadex at 20mg a day? Or take more Adex? Thanks!
    Last edited by Chubbyman; 02-09-2017 at 03:49 AM. Reason: Wrong Adex doseage.

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    How much arimidex are you taking everyday?
    5 what?

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    .5mg Adex ED. I edited it. Thanks!

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    .5mg Adex ED. I edited it. Thanks!

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    If you start getting a lump then definitely start nolva. You can take it anyway regardless if you are worried, start at 10mg per day and go from there.

    Oh, and get some bloodwork to see where you are at.

    How many cycle have you run previously? If Noe, drop your test to 500mg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Back In Black View Post
    If you start getting a lump then definitely start nolva. You can take it anyway regardless if you are worried, start at 10mg per day and go from there.

    Oh, and get some bloodwork to see where you are at.

    How many cycle have you run previously? If Noe, drop your test to 500mg.
    I ran one about a 2.5 years ago. But turned lazy after and quit lifting. Been back in gym now about 4 months. My questions is if I start taking the nolvadex at 10mg a day. Do I drop the adex or continue taking it?

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    Thanks btw!!

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    Still run your ai. TBH I'd drop your test to 500mg, if you haven't cycled in that long it's unlikely you will need more than that. Especially if you have only just got back into lifting, started much too soon IMO but I'm not your mum.

    No Hcg ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Back In Black View Post
    Still run your ai. TBH I'd drop your test to 500mg, if you haven't cycled in that long it's unlikely you will need more than that. Especially if you have only just got back into lifting, started much too soon IMO but I'm not your mum.

    No Hcg?
    No. No hcg . I only raised it from 400 to 750 because I feel like its under dosed. Week 2-4 I felt more drive in gym and sex drive. Then it just fell off. I stopped gaining. Now I have gyno symptoms. So I'm not sure what to think!

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    Sounds like your adex is underdosed to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chubbyman View Post
    No. No hcg . I only raised it from 400 to 750 because I feel like its under dosed. Week 2-4 I felt more drive in gym and sex drive. Then it just fell off. I stopped gaining. Now I have gyno symptoms. So I'm not sure what to think!

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    I think your sex drive fell off because your E2 levels got out of hand. Take the nolva to combat the gyno while you get your AI dialed in. and he's right you should drop the test level.

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    I am gyno prone, and my endocrinologist makes me take 1mg of arimidex a day. He says anything above that, wont make it work anybetter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rt4man View Post
    I think your sex drive fell off because your E2 levels got out of hand. Take the nolva to combat the gyno while you get your AI dialed in. and he's right you should drop the test level.
    I've read a lot of posts saying NOT to take nolvadex along side Adex. Thanks for your advice! That is what I started doing this morning!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    Sounds like your adex is underdosed to me.
    Yeah. Its all UG lab gear. Who knows!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chubbyman View Post
    I've read a lot of posts saying NOT to take nolvadex along side Adex. Thanks for your advice! That is what I started doing this morning!

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    Nothing wrong with low dose Nolva during a cycle if gyno prone. Always better safe than sorry.
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    Get some letro

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    Quote Originally Posted by cajun897 View Post
    Get some letro

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    Crashing your estrogen with letro does nothing to help.
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    Aromasin is your friend if you need to crash those estrogen levels.

    More importantly, what is the test blend?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    Crashing your estrogen with letro does nothing to help.
    Id like to see some proof letro doesnt help gyno

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    Letro is just a suicidal AI. It's old school dogma that crashing your estrogen helps in this area. To help with gyno you need serms such as Nolva or Raloxifene which will target breast tissue. AI's won't do this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cajun897 View Post
    Id like to see some proof letro doesnt help gyno
    Aromatase inhibitors in men: effects and therapeutic options

    Tamoxifen was much more effective, however, in the prevention of gynecomastia in these men [69,70]. Due to these disappointing results, aromatase inhibitors are not recommended as a first-line treatment for gynecomastia in men.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    Letro is just a suicidal AI. It's old school dogma that crashing your estrogen helps in this area. To help with gyno you need serms such as Nolva or Raloxifene which will target breast tissue. AI's won't do this.
    I beg to differ.

    There are literally thousands of posts by users online who have used letro to reduce and even completely eliminate gyno. I believe it works by "killing" the estrogen so much that the gyno goes away because it needs some sort of estrogen in the body to "survive". I could easily be wrong but I know it works.

    I would try nolva or ralox first but give letro a try if all else fails.

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    My thinking: a blend with a 19-nor sending prolactin high too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by saucerking View Post
    I beg to differ.

    There are literally thousands of posts by users online who have used letro to reduce and even completely eliminate gyno. I believe it works by "killing" the estrogen so much that the gyno goes away because it needs some sort of estrogen in the body to "survive". I could easily be wrong but I know it works.

    I would try nolva or ralox first but give letro a try if all else fails.

    Well of course if you crash your estrogen you cannot further produce estrogen related gyno. Removal is a different issue altogether. Simply restoring normal hormonal values will often times allow gyno (not hard, fibrous gyno) to dissapate on it's own. My point is that crashing your estrogen is simply not the most effective way to handle it when there are specific drugs that target the tissue directly. Not to mention how bad you'll feel with little to no E.
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    If you start taking nolva at 40 mg ED til it subsides and then 20 mg ED after that your gyno should stop while you try to get your AI dialed in. Just do that and you will be fine. Thats what a lot of people here do when they start getting the sides. I have not had a problem running the two side by side and a knowledgeable vet was the one that gave me the advice. some people take 20 MG of nolva ED through their whole cycle just in case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    Well of course if you crash your estrogen you cannot further produce estrogen related gyno. Removal is a different issue altogether. Simply restoring normal hormonal values will often times allow gyno (not hard, fibrous gyno) to dissapate on it's own. My point is that crashing your estrogen is simply not the most effective way to handle it when there are specific drugs that target the tissue directly. Not to mention how bad you'll feel with little to no E.
    I second that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rt4man View Post
    If you start taking nolva at 40 mg ED til it subsides and then 20 mg ED after that your gyno should stop while you try to get your AI dialed in. Just do that and you will be fine. Thats what a lot of people here do when they start getting the sides. I have not had a problem running the two side by side and a knowledgeable vet was the one that gave me the advice. some people take 20 MG of nolva ED through their whole cycle just in case.
    Thanks man! You've been extremely helpful!

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    So someone like me who is very gyno prone. Would you advise just taking .5 mg adex ED and 20mg nolvadex ED throughout my entire next cycle? Thanks for everyones input btw. There is just so much confusing/conflicting information when you search online!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chubbyman View Post
    So someone like me who is very gyno prone. Would you advise just taking .5 mg adex ED and 20mg nolvadex ED throughout my entire next cycle? Thanks for everyones input btw. There is just so much confusing/conflicting information when you search online!
    If you're only using test you should be able to control your e2 with an AI and blood work.

    Having sensitive nipples is a sign of hormone imbalance and not necessarily gyno.

    You should have mid cycle labs that contain an e2 assay, preferably a sensitive e2 assay.

    Again, if you're just using test then learning how to keep your e2 within range would be more beneficial than adding nolva.

    As stated previously, given your long hiatus from cycling you should consider lowering your test dose to 500mg/week.

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