Facial bloating

**BuildingBlock** · 02-17-2017, 07:42 AM

Definitely retaining water, I'm not sweating as much and it shows in my face, any advice how to combat this? I'm 3 weeks in, second cycle, I'm doin armidex 0.5 eod, should I bump it up to .75 eod? I heard its estrogen related but is it just the side effects of test e? Also I know I should be drinking a lot of water but afraid of retaining more water. I have milk thistle and nac supplements to help as well with kidneys.

Cycle
Test e 800mg wk
Nandrolone 100mg eod

**Mr.BB** · 02-17-2017, 08:21 AM

Maybe lower the testosterone .

Do some bloodwork to check e2

**ScotchGuard02** · 02-17-2017, 08:23 AM

Deca will hold water 100mg/eod is about 350mg/wk. Combine the 800mg/wk of Test with the Deca and you're gonna hold some water. I'm surprised that you're holding so much water with two long esters in 3 weeks. Are you front loading with dbol or anything?

**NACH3** · 02-17-2017, 08:40 AM

Originally Posted by BuildingBlock

Definitely retaining water, I'm not sweating as much and it shows in my face, any advice how to combat this? I'm 3 weeks in, second cycle, I'm doin armidex 0.5 eod, should I bump it up to .75 eod? I heard its estrogen related but is it just the side effects of test e? Also I know I should be drinking a lot of water but afraid of retaining more water. I have milk thistle and nac supplements to help as well with kidneys.

Cycle
Test e 800mg wk
Nandrolone 100mg eod

How much water are you drinking per day? The more water you drink the more you expel so not drinking enough will add to bloat!

Is your dex liq dex from a peptide company or pharma grade? I'd check E2! It maybe bunk but your running a good amount of gear - what wk you in?

Do you have s DA(dopamine agonist) on hand or running one? Prami or caber?

Edit - I see your 3wks in - I hold more water on long esters and deca the first few wks too but... I'd get bw on E2 and throw in Prolactin too

**songdog** · 02-17-2017, 12:52 PM

I agree with the above test is way too high for a 2nd cycle 500 is fine your diet has a lot too due with it also.Blood work is the only real way to tell wats going on.But lower the test!

**Back In Black** · 02-17-2017, 12:59 PM

Yep, way too much for a 2nd cycle.

Also, only 4 or 5 weeks or so off after the PCT for your first cycle? Man, some people are practically begging for trouble.

**BuildingBlock** · 02-17-2017, 03:16 PM

Thanks for advice guys, I thought npp was the shorter ester and I have read you don't need caber as you do with the long ester deca ?
I'm gonna lower test to 500 wk but would that be enough test with the npp dose I'm running?
No front load with dbol either just armidex and hgh as usual

**songdog** · 02-17-2017, 06:00 PM

500 is enough quite frankly test and Dbol wouldve been better for a 2nd cycle and do some more research bro.

**KINGKONG** · 02-17-2017, 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by NACH3

How much water are you drinking per day? The more water you drink the more you expel so not drinking enough will add to bloat!

Is your dex liq dex from a peptide company or pharma grade? I'd check E2! It maybe bunk but your running a good amount of gear - what wk you in?

Do you have s DA(dopamine agonist) on hand or running one? Prami or caber?

Edit - I see your 3wks in - I hold more water on long esters and deca the first few wks too but... I'd get bw on E2 and throw in Prolactin too

I would def get some quality ancillary's bogus AI are the norm these days

**BuildingBlock** · 02-17-2017, 10:35 PM

Armidex is pharm grade and I have used it before for my last cycle, and it was fine, just assuming estrogen level was high, I took an extra today, drank some more water and I'm sweating again so I'm hoping it was just that, going to get blood work next week

**NACH3** · 02-18-2017, 05:46 AM

Originally Posted by BuildingBlock

Thanks for advice guys, I thought npp was the shorter ester and I have read you don't need caber as you do with the long ester deca ?
I'm gonna lower test to 500 wk but would that be enough test with the npp dose I'm running?
No front load with dbol either just armidex and hgh as usual

Nandrolone is nandrolone just like test is test - NPP is just a shorter ester - some people run low dose test and high(er) nandrolone) if it's your second cycle heed the advice above and stick with your current NPP dosage!

Only way to tell if Prolactin is getting high is through bw.... hence at least having a DA on hand till mid cycle bw! And drink as much water as possible!