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hi guying just about to start my first cycle of dbol am 168lbs 14%body fat
week 1-6 40mgs dbol
week 3 20mgs nolvadex
week 5-7 10mgs nolvadex
week 8 50mgs clomid
i will also take Milk Thistle and Alpha Lipoic acid supplements along with this to help
is this a good cycle layout any advice will be greatly appreciated
No, orals only cycle suck. You will get shutdown for nothing.
Testosterone is needed as a base.
But first:
Age
Height
Weight
BF
How long have you been training?
23 is a bit young.
Read http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...rst-cycle.html
You got some good advice be smart and follow it.
19
6 foot 1
168lbs
13-14bf
training for 3 years
i dont mind taking test but what ester i was thinking of doing test E 250mgs a week for 10 weeks
thanks i'll look into it looks like great info
The whole point is you are too young and you will mess up your body.Plus even if you were of age you are too small weight wise.You need too build a foundation that you can build on.
thats what hcg's for
Dang bro your 6'1" 165lbs...Quote:
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I'm 6' 210 (cut 6lbs of fat in the past week from keto)
Either way what I'm getting at..is at that height you should naturallly be around 185 without much effort. Just saying that beyond your age being to young and risking messing up your bodys natural testosterone production up at a young age and fucking your erections and ability to gain muscle and lose fat...ok..let's say that you decide to make that unwise decision and use steroids. I'm guessing from your stats that it don't matter. ..your going to risk your health for gains that will be lost as soon as you stop your cycle. I assume this becuase your 6'1" and 150 lbs ..lol so naturally your body isn't meant to retain that type of mass you want.
And being so young just like i was..actually have no clue what real training and intensity is simply because of lack of wisdom/lack of experience alone. So if your diet is not sufficient and you lack intensity. All the steroids in the world will not help .
Eat a lot and properly diet accordingly ,sleep, hydrate, supplement proper , and gain experience in the field to learn how to properly train and at your age the last thing you need are steroids..
Then again I speak for myself. Not everyone is as gifted with Hercules genetics like myself.
Uggghhh....what.Quote:
Originally Posted by tren mister
HCG is to preserve the function of your balls while on cycle..
See this is why I get sarcastic.Quote:
Originally Posted by tren mister
Make em think about something, they might say
"wtf, I don't know what to do, complete polar opposite advice. One says dont, the gym buddy says thus, and this asshole says take everything plus the kitchen sink."
Yes OP,the hcg makes 50 years of science and user experience null and void.
Hcg ain't no guarantee for MEN with fully developed endocrine systems that have known normal for years, and have a benchmark to try and return to normal.
You on the other case, your endocrine system has nothing to gauge as normal, and no reference point were it was functioning for a long time at.
What if your endocrine system, decides at mid cycle that "ok this is normal, exogenous testosterone, cool, we don't got to bust ass making it now. Hey guys down below, we're all good, sorry for calling you in on your day off"
Hopefully this does make sense.
I'm using colorful layman analogies to drive point home.
We need to exactly spell it out for young guys. We love you, your our future. We are not hating, we are helping.
good advice but i honesty i care little for my health i know that might sound pretty fucked and know it's not the best decision to hop on roids and i know it may sound stupid but i am going to! i just want to know how to do it correctly
but if im on cycle and take hcg with it my nuts wont shut down will they ??
Lmao. So,you don't care about health ..but you want to do roids...becuase why? Doesn't roids go in the super health category in general I.e getting a better body. But dude. What r u not understanding. The roids won't do shit for your arrogant nieve ass other then make a high change of shutting your body and dick down for good lol. Then what will u have to show for it..a limp dick and no muscle and can't keep the fat off at that age will suck not to mention the side effects years down the road I hear .Quote:
Originally Posted by tren mister
Hey man it's your life , your body do as you will. I never took roids in my life but I'm thinking about it cuz I met a connect in class and got me thinking but I'm 32 ..and still haven't done it yet .
So you don't care about your health but you want roids to get a better looking body lol..I'm so confused about that one dude.
So you don't care about the price it will take...? U think it will be fast gains to a perfect body...wrong. It's a lifestyle and your body can't support roids and you will prob lose everything once you stop lol
Nothing in life is guarenteed dude. That's what couchlocked said. Especially at your age it's higher chance of fucking up permanetly since your not fully developedQuote:
Originally Posted by tren mister
hey if my dick goes limp a couple grams of Viagra will sort that right out
am just going off what louiee simmons said on joe rogans pod cast HCG will fix everything
Your balls still shut down on hcg, it just keeps them visible and possibly ready for pct.Quote:
Originally Posted by tren mister
Like hcg makes your balls the equivalent of army reserves, they look the part, but probably won't ever see action.
Its easier for balls that are full and plump to start receiving pulses from serms during pct, as opposed to just trying to restart them from scratch.
Think of hcg like this.
You are restoring a classic car, you do the body work and primer yourself, then take it to a top notch painter to finish.
Of course the paint man could do the body work and primer, but its cheaper and quicker turn around by sending it there primer.
Sending your nuts into pct primed is the action of hcg.
Once you stop test and roids and hcg, you will not produce any male hormones until pct starts and is finished. If hcg kept your balls functioning there would be no need for pct, you're boys would pick up were hcg left off.
This is not the case.
Joe Rogan......smh....he's a pot head comedian.
These vets here that are advising you are in some cases doctors, and in most cases, have been juicing for more years than you've been alive.
so HCG on cycle then pct noladex with a serm for best results
No it's best to have all them items for preventive measures ..and not just Nolvadex u need clomid as well for pct. and an AI and HCG for on cycle.. (and I'm not condoning it in any way by telling you but it's not like you can't find this out by looking on here).Quote:
Originally Posted by tren mister
and no for best rep,te you need proper diet and know how to train ..read wht I wrote above ..still stands its reality..there isn't no steroid tht will act like magic. It just helps what you already have if you know how to use it.
Ps: couchlocked..I like your parables lol
Did you read the link I posted?
The bigger issue is lack of sex drive and that can't be fixed by popping a pillQuote:
Originally Posted by tren mister
Plus why would you want to use viagra instead of naturally being ready to go. It's a Different story if you can't help it with age etc but your asking for it. Lol. Immaturity and arrogance at it best. No offense
Went full retard mode in matter of minutes..
Rule # 1 - You never go full retard! lol
Rule #2 - learn the basics of dieting and training before you take what you believe is "magic juice"
I missed this place and these wildly entertaining threads. Couple grams of viagara, makes me think that might be a fatal dose brings a new meaning to dying to have sex.