Very concerned aas user

[hollywoodundead2016]

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[DocToxin8]

How long since you cut down?

at that level there are minimal emotional sides and should be very welcome for you now.
As for tren e to still be in your system,
I've learned enanthate and longer esters can linger in the system a very long time, two months being not uncommon.
But even so, I'd say that after 4 weeks, the amount left is too small to cause any problems on mood swings and such. But it might be high enough to hinder recovery.

I've never run cardarine but thought it wasn't gonna have any emotional sides,
but why not stop it for a while anyways? Without tren your cardio capacity should increase.

You didn't mention an AI (arimidex )?
At 500mg T and 500u hcg x 2 estrogen is gonna be high.
If you don't run an AI then include that and you'll feel a big difference.

[hollywoodundead2016]

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[The Deadlifting Dog]

You should be taking an AI in my opinion.
Don't use Letro. Way too easy to crash your estrogen.
Use aromasin ED or arimidex EOD.

Lowering your estrogen into the normal range will not hinder your gains. You will carry less water though.

[Mr.BB]

This is ridiculous, we have told you MONTHS ago to stop everything and PCT.

You dont want to quit, fine. Deal with the consequences ffs.

Steroids is not something to play with, they change users lives. Steroids are not for everyone.

Your profile says your 26, seriously doubt this is your real age.

[DocToxin8]

I have letrozole on hand but the problem with that is that it kills estrogen in its tracks and I lose a lot of gains. I was thinking it could be just as simple as an estrogen issue but I would need blood work to prove that. I have run AIs in the past but quit when my estrogen levels were normal after getting blood work done. The only way to know for sure would be to get more blood work done again. As for Tren, Ive read about guys being off mentally for as long as 6 months after coming off of it. The cardarine is for HDL or at least thats what I use it for. I know it can also be used to combat cardio problems while running tren tho. I havent cut down yet. I plan on doing that immediately. That regimen I listed is what I have been running for the past 3 months. Back to the GW, I probably should just cut that out. It is after all an androgen and me and androgens just do not get along whatsoever. Im done with letrozole. Would u use arimidex or nolvadex as an AI? I can figure out the dosing on my own. AI dosing seems to be a trial and error thing.

If you're gonna do a cruise/blast approach, which is what it seems you've settled for (and this will cause you a lot of problems btw),
Then strive for the lowest possible dose now.
Best would Ofcourse be to do a PCT, but if you're not gonna,
try staying on just 250mg TE a week for now.
With that dose you'll need just a touch of AI, personally I opt for arimidex .
Don't use nolva IMO, keep that on hand for either PCT or if you feel gyno symptoms.

GW is not an androgen. It's a PPAR agonist I believe.
I don't have any personal experience with it, but would quit it now simply because it's another compound I doubt you need right now.

At 250mg TE a week emotional sides shouldn't be any concerns.
What fucked you up is running "everything" as you put it.
Now it's time for a rest.

I don't know or remember any previous post from you,
and regardless what you have done, the only way forward is to look for solutions.
But the best option would be to stop and do PCT.
I have a feeling you're not gonna do that though,
and while unwise, I for one can't be judgemental.
Either cruise or go even lower, to TRT dose, with a TRT dose you might not even need an AI. At 250mg TE you can perhaps get away without an AI (although I'd at least use DIM or something), but a touch of adex should be included.

Letrozole , never used it, heard it's to strong and seems like you would need to supplement with exogenous estrogen if you use that. Which would be overly complicated.

[ScotchGuard02]

OK so here is my current regimen:
-Testosterone Cypionate 250 mg 2x/week IM
-HCG 500 iu 2x/week subQ
-Creatine Monohydrate = 3.5 g/day
-GW (Cardarine) = 20 mg/day
-Other ancillaries = Aspirin/Niacin/Fish Oil/5-HTP/Milk Thistle

I have been running this for 3 months nonstop now but prior to that I took just about everything out there and I do mean everything with the biggest offender being trenbolone . Switching from ace to enth only made the side effects even more horrific. My biggest concerns right now are:
1. WILD mood swings (happy to sad to angry over and over again). The sadness is to the point of being suicidal. The happiness is to the point of being euphoric. The anger is to the point of uncontrollable rage where I verbally attack people for really little to no good reason.
2. Forgetting things (poor memory both short and long term although not debilitating)
3. Paranoia (very little to no trust in other people)
4. Poor judgement

I have been using for well over a year now without any PCT. I'll just tell you now that I don't want to PCT nor do I plan on doing one but I do want to cut back considerably to get back to feeling normal again. I thought cutting back to this would help and it has some but not as well as I thought it would. What would be yall's recommendation? If it's left up to me, I plan on cutting the Test/HCG/GW doses in HALF and getting EXTENSIVE blood work done as well as getting my vital signs checked out. Is it possible that the Tren E is still in my system at this point? That would explain a lot if that is the case although quite frankly I just dont see that being possible lol.

*As a side note, I want to tell everyone and this is MY OPINION that Trenbolone is the DEVIL. Ace is bad enough but enth is even worse but they are both bad imo. Just a warning. Ya'll can take it or leave it.

You're most concerned about the AAS effect on your emotions? The healthy adult male brain doesn't really fully mature until about 25 y/o. Taking AAS can have dramatic effect on the brain chemistry. I'm not saying it will, I am saying there is a real possibility. There are glands in your brain that control significant release of hormones in the body. You screw that up and you could be in recovery for a long time. Without getting into the technical explanation, I would recommend that you stop all use of AAS for two weeks. Then run a full 4 week PCT with Nolva/Clomid 40/20/20/20 & 100/50/50/50. Wait 6 weeks and go get blood work done. This will be your baseline blood work. See of you've screwed anything up. Then you can adjust your AAS for future cycles. Right now, I think your system's a little messed up and trying to self medicate is like putting a bandaid on a festering wound. You don't really know what the solution is right now. Just slow down and start from the beginning.

[Back In Black]

Lol at this guy, ignored every good bit of advice he has had from this forum. I wanna see a pic of what this 'cycle' has created, can you oblige OP?

[LeeSin1]

Lol at this guy, ignored every good bit of advice he has had from this forum. I wanna see a pic of what this 'cycle' has created, can you oblige OP?

I am kind of curious, myself!

[numbere]

at that level there are minimal emotional sides and should be very welcome for you now.
As for tren e to still be in your system,
I've learned enanthate and longer esters can linger in the system a very long time, two months being not uncommon.
But even so, I'd say that after 4 weeks, the amount left is too small to cause any problems on mood swings and such. But it might be high enough to hinder recovery.

[DocToxin8]

I just had deja vu.

Doc you gave OP the exact same advice three months ago lol.

Depression while on steroids

I'll be darned!

Good memory Numbere!

So I'm basically just repeating myself.

So OP, any chance you'll listen to any advice this time around?

2 choices:
-quit and do PCT (really the only sound advice)
-drop the dose

Oh I forgot;
-keep doing what you're doing and be an emotional train wreck
Maybe you should start writing poetry?

[DocToxin8]

After reading the old thread "depression..."
I think what you should do Hollywood, is READ the old thread.
Read what you wrote 3mo ago.
You were seriously contemplating suicide.

And you wondered how powerlifters can stay on 8-10g/week.
They don't!
To be fair, I know one guy in the 5-7g/week range,
he uses a TON of psymeds. Uppers, downers, etc.
and he still breaks up with his GF about once a month.
Sounds nice?

[hammerheart]

*As a side note, I want to tell everyone and this is MY OPINION that Trenbolone is the DEVIL. Ace is bad enough but enth is even worse but they are both bad imo. Just a warning. Ya'll can take it or leave it.

It is, especially if you don't know what your doing. You weren't even taking an AI on cycle? The synergy between estrogen and the progestin-like action of Tren will deplete serotonin our of your CNS like no tomorrow, which well explain the issues you've been having.

This is no suggestion to jump on and try again - just do as Doc suggested.

[songdog]

You can't pull nothing over on Numbere I feel sorry for his kids one day they won't beable too get away with nothing.Unless they inherit his memory Have fun!

[redz]

Time to get off the juice, pct and get healthy.

[boisebeast]

If nothing else this thread serves as a great example that things that can go wrong if you ignore sound and experienced advice! The silver lining for the OP is that it could be much worse for him. I would get bloods done to figure out exactly what is going on

[kelkel]

[QUOTE=hollywoodundead2016;7269645]I have letrozole on hand but the problem with that is that it kills estrogen in its tracks and I lose a lot of gains. [QUOTE]

That's ridiculous. Then again, so is uncontrolled drug use leading to being psychotic.

[DocToxin8]

[QUOTE=kelkel;7269790][QUOTE=hollywoodundead2016;7269645]I have letrozole on hand but the problem with that is that it kills estrogen in its tracks and I lose a lot of gains.

That's ridiculous. Then again, so is uncontrolled drug use leading to being psychotic.

I haven't studied letrozole. But even if it were that powerful,
there still has to be a dose were it doesn't interact with all the aromatase enzyme.


Anyways Hollywood, nobody's making fun of you here,
(not more than you should be able to take upright anyway),
you're welcome to reply and tell us your plan. Heck, I don't expect you to have a plan. But maybe you should plan to seek some help.
Doesn't sound like you're in a good place.
(And I'm not trying to be an asshole now, as I've said, I can't judge, I've done lots of stupid shit. Thing is, it's usually never to late to fix, even when one thinks it is)

[Max562]

I follow you shit getting really bad for me the past..my mood swings from the tren are hitting on all cylinders...im having problems at home. Im on the boat in the shipyard in new york.. my woman is tripping..i went knocked the bottom out of a russian escort last night cuz i couldnt deal with her shit. To say the least im watching it come to an end. Shes not my wife..shes just a woman i loved. When shits starts unraveling the tren intensifies all emotions...if you sad u gonna cry..if you a mean m.f. you gonna fuck a nigga up quick. My co workers juice to so they know what im going through. I will admit i have even thought of killing myself the past couple days..why? Who knows. Its just a thought that enters your mind so quickly its scary. I like to think i have a strong mind. But when u have extenuating circumstances come up on tren...be ready cuz yr mind seems to go to mush...just venting...love yall

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[DocToxin8]

I follow you shit getting really bad for me the past..my mood swings from the tren are hitting on all cylinders...im having problems at home. Im on the boat in the shipyard in new york.. my woman is tripping..i went knocked the bottom out of a russian escort last night cuz i couldnt deal with her shit. To say the least im watching it come to an end. Shes not my wife..shes just a woman i loved. When shits starts unraveling the tren intensifies all emotions...if you sad u gonna cry..if you a mean m.f. you gonna fuck a nigga up quick. My co workers juice to so they know what im going through. I will admit i have even thought of killing myself the past couple days..why? Who knows. Its just a thought that enters your mind so quickly its scary. I like to think i have a strong mind. But when u have extenuating circumstances come up on tren...be ready cuz yr mind seems to go to mush...just venting...love yall

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Try looking at things from another perspective.
My GF always asks me "is this gonna matter in 6mo or a year?"
The answer is usually "no" and I calm down.
When you ain't got anyone else to ask you that question then ask it yourself.

I'm willing to bet most of what you are worrying about won't matter in 6mo.

And another thing, like you said "extenuating circumstances.."
Sometimes one just have to admit that there's to much shit going on to cycle.
If you're a blast/cruiser that's when you drop down the dose to 250mg TE or less.
Peace and chill Max!

[Max562]

Thanks brother..fear the shit at home is beyond repair..im stuck at work cant get to her to fix it..i was on top of the world. I just feel defeated now. I will have to push through it becuse i wont be going home for some time. Will be out of the shipyard tomorrow and back out to sea. Its gonna be ruff. If it gets bad i will just come here and vent. Thanks

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[DocToxin8]

Thanks brother..fear the shit at home is beyond repair..im stuck at work cant get to her to fix it..i was on top of the world. I just feel defeated now. I will have to push through it becuse i wont be going home for some time. Will be out of the shipyard tomorrow and back out to sea. Its gonna be ruff. If it gets bad i will just come here and vent. Thanks

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Venting is good. Makes you think things through before you do anything rash. (Hopefully)
And whatever is going on at home, I can tell you, it will get better one way or the other. Just been through a divorce and while not everything is as it should yet, I'm happier than in a long time.
Not saying that's what's in store for you,
but in a relationship that is pretty much the worst scenario one pictures,
and even that can turn out to be good.

[hollywoodundead2016]

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[hollywoodundead2016]

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[hollywoodundead2016]

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[hollywoodundead2016]

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[hollywoodundead2016]

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[Obs]

OK so here is my current regimen:
-Testosterone Cypionate 250 mg 2x/week IM
-HCG 500 iu 2x/week subQ
-Creatine Monohydrate = 3.5 g/day
-GW (Cardarine) = 20 mg/day
-Other ancillaries = Aspirin/Niacin/Fish Oil/5-HTP/Milk Thistle

I have been running this for 3 months nonstop now but prior to that I took just about everything out there and I do mean everything with the biggest offender being trenbolone . Switching from ace to enth only made the side effects even more horrific. My biggest concerns right now are:
1. WILD mood swings (happy to sad to angry over and over again). The sadness is to the point of being suicidal. The happiness is to the point of being euphoric. The anger is to the point of uncontrollable rage where I verbally attack people for really little to no good reason.
2. Forgetting things (poor memory both short and long term although not debilitating)
3. Paranoia (very little to no trust in other people)
4. Poor judgement

I have been using for well over a year now without any PCT. I'll just tell you now that I don't want to PCT nor do I plan on doing one but I do want to cut back considerably to get back to feeling normal again. I thought cutting back to this would help and it has some but not as well as I thought it would. What would be yall's recommendation? If it's left up to me, I plan on cutting the Test/HCG/GW doses in HALF and getting EXTENSIVE blood work done as well as getting my vital signs checked out. Is it possible that the Tren E is still in my system at this point? That would explain a lot if that is the case although quite frankly I just dont see that being possible lol.

*As a side note, I want to tell everyone and this is MY OPINION that Trenbolone is the DEVIL. Ace is bad enough but enth is even worse but they are both bad imo. Just a warning. Ya'll can take it or leave it.

My momma said.... my momma said little girls are the devil. Momma said we need tren because we got all them fats and no muscles!

[hollywoodundead2016]

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[DocToxin8]

Do you think you'll listen to anything this time then?
Yes, some days will feel fine, (or most of the day, I'm guessing you switch between good and bad within a day as well if you think about it)
But it has gone to far.
Any chance you'll quit and do PCT and see where you're at?
If you think that you 100% sure have fried your HPTA at this point and won't recover natural T production,
I can tel you I had cycles last years (with blast/cruise) and still recovered.
(Now I'm fucked though)
At 27 you should be able to enjoy life without relying on drugs all the time,
Trust me, you'll be a slave to TRT soon enough anyway. No need to start now.

And if you won't quit, dose down, really down.

Actually GW (cardarine) is not a SARM, although often sold as one.
But stop that too. Aim for as little drugs as possible.

And if you can hack PCT, it will ultimately be better in terms of gaining muscle mass.

[hollywoodundead2016]

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[hammerheart]

I have plenty of HCG and Clomid on hand. The only AI I have is letrozole. Currently in the process of obtaining both Nolvadex and Arimidex.

That's a good starting point. You are as young as me, I'm fvcked but you have good chances to fully recover and enjoy life without relying on drugs if you put some good will in this.

[hollywoodundead2016]

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[hollowedzeus]

For now I think the best thing to do is to cut out the GW 100%. Cut the test and hcg doses in half. Add in Arimidex. Get bloods. I am obtaining the Nolvadex as Dr. Michael Scallys PCT regimen includes Clomid + HCG + Nolva to keep my options open.

You've been told over and over that the best thing to do is to come off

[DocToxin8]

I have plenty of HCG and Clomid on hand. The only AI I have is letrozole. Currently in the process of obtaining both Nolvadex and Arimidex.

Have u used hcg while on cycle?
If not start the hcg right now, unless you want a PCT with clomid alone.
I'd say that since you've been on this long, staying on a low dose of T with hcg 250-500u x 2 weekly, or 250u x 3 weekly for 3-4 weeks,
while you obtain the nolva is ok.
Then do PCT with nolva and clomid.

Anyone got experience with letrozole ?
It must be possible to use it, just keep the dose very very low.

[hollywoodundead2016]

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[DocToxin8]

I can understand that you want all compounds before you start PCT.

Just be mindful it can be an excuse.
You can get addicted to AAS, and I'm pretty sure you are just that
Been there myself.

But the fear of quitting is usually much worse than how it actually feels to quit.
With all you've gone through, I think you'll see that quitting is easy if let it be.

[hollywoodundead2016]

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[hollywoodundead2016]

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[DocToxin8]

I deserve to be made fun of at this point lol.

For being irresponsible?
In the end, it's you who's been hurt by your own actions.
Maybe some GF, family and friends worry,
but you've taken a beating.

(And I also think it's great you can take some criticism without busting a nut, shows you got some character)

We can make fun and so on, but most of all we'd all like you to recover from this. As I've said many times, I can't judge. Not for doing stupid shit that harms yourself. Had you raped someone or kicked your woman on a regular basis then I'd judge you, but not for this.

I really hope you'll make a new thread in a couple of months on how much better your life is.