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    First cycle questions! Thoughts! Opinions!

    FIRST CYCLE QUESTIONS! THOUGHTS! OPINIONS!

    Hello, I am fairly new to this site but I believe I am ready to start my first AAS cycle. This is what I was thinking:

    My Cycle:

    Week 1 to 12: Testosterone enanthate @ 250 mg every 3.5 days (500mg/week total)

    Week 1 to 12: hCG @ 250 iu every 3.5 days (500 iu/week total)

    Week 1 to 14: Arimidex @ 0.25mg every other day (From day 2 up until PCT starts)

    PCT:

    Week 14 to 18: Nolvadex daily @
    40mg/20mg/20mg/20mg

    Week 14 to 18: Clomid daily @
    75mg/50mg/50mg/50mg

    Week 1 to 18: 600 mg of N-Acetyl Cysteine (NAC) daily


    What should I keep, what should I drop, and what should I tweak?

    What do you think a cycle like this will cost as I am using it as a reference to my source? (rough estimate)


    I believe my source is legit but am not 100% sure. If someone pm’s me I could let them know for a source check if they would be so kind. I am currently on doctor prescrip accutane @ 40mg’s twice daily (80mgs total). This is to treat and hopefully permanently cure mild acne prior to my cycle. I put NAC on there to prevent further stress on my liver. I was 100% clear of acne after high school but I took a pro hormone 1.5 years ago causing to what I believe my hormones being unbalanced resulting in my acne to come back. I am 24 years old, 6ft2, and 200lbs @ 9-10% bf. On my pro hormone I blew up, I was 5ft7 and 115lbs and made natural beginner gains to 145lbs before a friend convinced me to take a pro hormone. After my cycle I was 6'2 210lbs which was exactly 1 year after i started working out more seriously. 95lbs increase (65lbs from the pro hormone in 2 months) and still had visible abs. My cycle consisted of DUAL ACTION GROW TABS by IDS LABS for 30 days and TANK by PHARMA WAR the following 30 days until I took my “PCT”. My local nutrition shop had set me up with a liver support for when I was on my 2 month pro cycle, and told me that the PCT would be OSN Labs Super TestKryptonite to jumpstart my test levels and NOVAPLEX by IP Pharma to control estrogen rebound. Both of these were junk and I had terrible side effects, I got a moon face, gyno (that I still have today, more on that later) and loss of gains very fast due to what I believe was high water weight and too quick of weight gains. My gyno has not gone away and its been around for years but got much more prominent after my pro hormone cycle.

    As for my first real cycle of AAS, should I work to treat the gyno first?

    If yes, how should I treat it (nolvadex, letro, aromisin, doses, etc)?

    I have HCG on my cycle at 500ius a week (250 every 3.5 days) and i was wondering if i should keep the HCG at that dose?

    Also should I keep it during my cycle instead of PCT (i have read a lot of back and forth about whether to use it on or after a cycle and I do not know who to trust)?

    Lastly, I have also read about injecting HCG IM or SubQ and are there benefits to one or the other or can it only be done one way?

    Are there pros and cons of Subq vs IM (if one is stronger or more effective)?


    I have to get my blood drawn once a month for my accutane prescription to check my liver enzymes I believe.

    What precisely am I looking for in my blood tests for gear?


    This is what I have been told to monitor but I do not know what is high, low, or a good number for these tests.

    testosterone , total
    testosterone, free
    sensitive E2 assay
    complete blood count (CBC)
    comprehensive metabolic panel (CMP)
    lipid profile (during PCT)
    LH and FSH (during Pre and Post Cycle)


    Can I use the same blood test as my accutane blood tests to monitor my levels but ask the lab to check these levels as well?

    Will asking the blood drawing lab to test for these raise any suspicion of gear related activity?

    Do people really go up to pharmacy workers and ask for needles or does everyone order them online?

    If everyone orders them online, what cite do you order them from?


    I am really trying to make 100% sure that the websites I am ordering from legit websites to not get scammed as well as not mess anything up on my first go around, hence all the questions so sorry about that.

    How will I know if my gear is bunk or legit (are there any telltale signs)?


    All questions:
    (I know some answers to the following questions are in other forums, however, I have heard 2 or more different answers resulting in me not knowing the correct answer. If someone would please help me with these and maybe explain why that would be INCREDIBLY helpful!)

    1. What should I keep, what should I drop, and what should I tweak?

    2. What do you think a cycle like this will cost as I am using it as a reference to my source? (rough estimate)

    3. As for my first real cycle of AAS, should I work to treat the gyno first?

    4. If yes, how should I treat it (nolvadex, letro, aromisin, doses, etc)?

    5. I have HCG on my cycle at 500ius a week (250 every 3.5 days) and i was wondering if i should keep the HCG at that dose?

    6. Also should I keep it during my cycle instead of PCT (i have read a lot of back and forth about whether to use it on or after a cycle and I do not know who to trust)?

    7. Lastly, I have also read about injecting HCG IM or SubQ and are there benefits to one or the other or can it only be done one way?

    8. Are there pros and cons of Subq vs IM (if one is stronger or more effective)?

    9. What precisely am I looking for in my blood tests for gear?

    10. Am I only looking for the following during my cycle’s blood tests?
    11. testosterone, total
    12. testosterone, free
    13. sensitive E2 assay
    14. complete blood count (CBC)
    15. comprehensive metabolic panel (CMP)
    16. lipid profile (during PCT)
    17. LH and FSH (during Pre and Post Cycle)

    18. Can I use the same blood test as my accutane blood tests to monitor my levels but ask the lab to check these levels as well?

    19. Will asking the blood drawing lab to test for these raise any suspicion of gear related activity?

    20. Do people really go up to pharmacy workers and ask for needles or does everyone order them online?

    21. If everyone orders them online, what cite do you order them from?

    22. How will I know if my gear is bunk or legit (are there any telltale signs)?



    THANK YOU FOR READING. ANY HELP IS APPRECIATED.
    Last edited by bigfish1993; 03-01-2017 at 12:53 AM.

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    1) at first glance cycle looks ok
    2) no idea about cost in your country
    3) treat gyno first? It's not sure it's treatable except with surgery.
    You could try a SERM like raloxifene for some time (don't use an AI to crash e2 levels) and see what happens, but with pre existing gyno you need a SERM all the time during cycle. Prepare for a gyno operation, then it's fixed forever.
    4) hcg at 250u x 2 will do fine.
    5) use hcg during cycle, stop it when you begin PCT.
    The hcg is there to stimulate your testicles when the brain has stopped doing so because levels of T are raised on cycle. During PCT hcg is counter productive. During PCT you only use SERMs.
    6) inject hcg SubQ. Yes it can be done IM. Do it SubQ, why? Because!
    7) there's really no pro/con to SubQ vs IM, but theoretically absorption is more stable from SubQ.
    8) you look for what you have listed, and could look at FSH, LH, and lipids (cholesterol) and liver enzymes (ALAT, gamma-GT, and some more) as well
    9) yes you can check this with your accutane blood work,
    But beware: the values you get will be a tell tale sign you are on cycle!
    10) if you can't buy needles in the pharmacy then order them online.

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    Why does your profile show state you are 19?

    Your totals are wrong on your PCT. the amounts are to be taken daily not weekly.

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    Also, I would run raloxifene at 60mg a day until your gyno is gone. Can take 6+ months.
    I would not cycle with pre-existing gyno.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanfishr View Post
    FIRST CYCLE QUESTIONS! THOUGHTS! OPINIONS!

    Hello, I am fairly new to this site but I believe I am ready to start my first AAS cycle. This is what I was thinking:

    My Cycle:

    Week 1 to 12: Testosterone enanthate @ 250 mg every 3.5 days (500mg/week total) This looks fine.

    Week 1 to 12: hCG @ 250 iu every 3.5 days (500 iu/week total) This looks fine.

    Week 1 to 14: Arimidex @ 0.25mg every other day (From day 2 up until PCT starts) This looks fine.

    PCT:

    Week 14 to 18: Nolvadex @
    40mg/20mg/20mg/20mg (100mg total) I'm not sure what you mean "100mg total". You should be taking 40mg ed for the first week, 20mg ed for the second week, etc.

    Week 14 to 18: Clomid @
    75mg/50mg/50mg/50mg (225mg total) See the line above.

    Week 1 to 18: 600 mg of N-Acetyl Cysteine (NAC) daily I'm on NAC perpetually. Never hurts to get a little liver support.


    What should I keep, what should I drop, and what should I tweak? This looks like a good first cycle.

    What do you think a cycle like this will cost as I am using it as a reference to my source? (rough estimate)
    No sourcing or costing on the public forum.

    I believe my source is legit but am not 100% sure. If someone pm’s me I could let them know for a source check if they would be so kind. I am currently on doctor prescrip accutane @ 40mg’s twice daily (80mgs total). This is to treat and hopefully permanently cure mild acne prior to my cycle. I put NAC on there to prevent further stress on my liver. I was 100% clear of acne after high school but I took a pro hormone 1.5 years ago causing to what I believe my hormones being unbalanced resulting in my acne to come back. I am 24 years old, 6ft2, and 200lbs @ 9-10% bf. You should know that the average healthy male's brain doesn't fully develop until mid 20's. There is a possibility that taking AAS could affect brain's control of natural hormone release. If you want to be safe I'd wait a year or two before I run my cycle.


    On my pro hormone I blew up, I was 5ft7 and 115lbs and made natural beginner gains to 145lbs before a friend convinced me to take a pro hormone. After my cycle I was 6'2 210lbs which was exactly 1 year after i started working out more seriously. 95lbs increase (65lbs from the pro hormone in 2 months) and still had visible abs. My cycle consisted of DUAL ACTION GROW TABS by IDS LABS for 30 days and TANK by PHARMA WAR the following 30 days until I took my “PCT”. My local nutrition shop had set me up with a liver support for when I was on my 2 month pro cycle, and told me that the PCT would be OSN Labs Super TestKryptonite to jumpstart my test levels and NOVAPLEX by IP Pharma to control estrogen rebound. Both of these were junk and I had terrible side effects, I got a moon face, gyno (that I still have today, more on that later) and loss of gains very fast due to what I believe was high water weight and too quick of weight gains. My gyno has not gone away and its been around for years but got much more prominent after my pro hormone cycle.

    As for my first real cycle of AAS, should I work to treat the gyno first? Gyno is pre-cancerous. You need to have that looked at by a professional.

    If yes, how should I treat it (nolvadex, letro, aromisin, doses, etc)? Before you self medicate, get a professional opinion from your doc.

    I have HCG on my cycle at 500ius a week (250 every 3.5 days) and i was wondering if i should keep the HCG at that dose? Yes

    Also should I keep it during my cycle instead of PCT (i have read a lot of back and forth about whether to use it on or after a cycle and I do not know who to trust)? No

    Lastly, I have also read about injecting HCG IM or SubQ and are there benefits to one or the other or can it only be done one way? SubQ release into the blood stream is slower. For water based peptides, the uptake into the body is better subQ. For oil based AAS, the release timing is determined by the ester. It's better to shoot IM for oil based AAS.

    Are there pros and cons of Subq vs IM (if one is stronger or more effective)?
    See above.

    I have to get my blood drawn once a month for my accutane prescription to check my liver enzymes I believe.

    What precisely am I looking for in my blood tests for gear?
    Get a Full Spectrum Hormone Test. You're just looking to see if all those numbers are in the "normal" range. Basically, you need to know your baseline during the cycle.

    This is what I have been told to monitor but I do not know what is high, low, or a good number for these tests.

    testosterone , total
    testosterone, free
    sensitive E2 assay
    complete blood count (CBC)
    comprehensive metabolic panel (CMP)
    lipid profile (during PCT)
    LH and FSH (during Pre and Post Cycle)


    Can I use the same blood test as my accutane blood tests to monitor my levels but ask the lab to check these levels as well? It will be a different test to check for hormones. You will probably have to get a new script or pay for the additional test yourself.

    Will asking the blood drawing lab to test for these raise any suspicion of gear related activity? People get Full Spectrum Hormone Test all the time. It's a standard testing protocol. It should be no problem.

    Do people really go up to pharmacy workers and ask for needles or does everyone order them online? I went used to get my insulin syringes for HGH at Walmart. Now I just order all my syringes from online. No questions asked.

    If everyone orders them online, what cite do you order them from?
    Tons of sites, just google it.

    I am really trying to make 100% sure that the websites I am ordering from legit websites to not get scammed as well as not mess anything up on my first go around, hence all the questions so sorry about that.
    Sites that carry ancillary products like syringes, wipes, vials, are mostly legit since they're not controlled. Peptides and AAS are another matter.
    How will I know if my gear is bunk or legit (are there any telltale signs)?
    You can get them tested but the test cost more than the gear. You just have to find a good source.

    All questions:
    (I know some answers to the following questions are in other forums, however, I have heard 2 or more different answers resulting in me not knowing the correct answer. If someone would please help me with these and maybe explain why that would be INCREDIBLY helpful!)

    1. What should I keep, what should I drop, and what should I tweak? See above.

    2. What do you think a cycle like this will cost as I am using it as a reference to my source? (rough estimate) See above.

    3. As for my first real cycle of AAS, should I work to treat the gyno first? See above.

    4. If yes, how should I treat it (nolvadex, letro, aromisin, doses, etc)? See above.

    5. I have HCG on my cycle at 500ius a week (250 every 3.5 days) and i was wondering if i should keep the HCG at that dose? See above.

    6. Also should I keep it during my cycle instead of PCT (i have read a lot of back and forth about whether to use it on or after a cycle and I do not know who to trust)? See above.

    7. Lastly, I have also read about injecting HCG IM or SubQ and are there benefits to one or the other or can it only be done one way? See above.

    8. Are there pros and cons of Subq vs IM (if one is stronger or more effective)? See above.

    9. What precisely am I looking for in my blood tests for gear? See above.

    10. Am I only looking for the following during my cycle’s blood tests? See above.
    11. testosterone, total
    12. testosterone, free
    13. sensitive E2 assay
    14. complete blood count (CBC)
    15. comprehensive metabolic panel (CMP)
    16. lipid profile (during PCT)
    17. LH and FSH (during Pre and Post Cycle)

    18. Can I use the same blood test as my accutane blood tests to monitor my levels but ask the lab to check these levels as well? See above.

    19. Will asking the blood drawing lab to test for these raise any suspicion of gear related activity? See above.

    20. Do people really go up to pharmacy workers and ask for needles or does everyone order them online? See above.

    21. If everyone orders them online, what cite do you order them from? See above.

    22. How will I know if my gear is bunk or legit (are there any telltale signs)? See above.



    THANK YOU FOR READING. ANY HELP IS APPRECIATED.
    Lots of good questions. Have a good cycle.

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    not sure why. just tried to changed it. wont change. my bday year is correct though (1993). thanks for the heads up
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    alright thank you. even if the gyno was from my prohormone it is untreatable? (without surgery)

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    thank you doc! i appreciate the response and reason i was wondering the pros/cons of subq vs IM was to see if it was okay to put both the test and subq in the same barrel. would that be okay? or is IM 100% the way to go?

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    Large amounts of testosterone are to be taken IM.
    HCG works either way and can be in the same syringe as your test if you so choose.
    Treat your gyno before you cycle. Adding more hormones aren't going to help it.
    Go to the educational articles database at the top of this forum and read the Gyno link please.
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    thank you kel

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog View Post
    Why does your profile show state you are 19?
    Quote Originally Posted by ryanfishr View Post
    I took a pro hormone 1.5 years ago causing to what I believe my hormones being unbalanced resulting in my acne to come back. I am 24 years old, 6ft2, and 200lbs @ 9-10% bf. On my pro hormone I blew up, I was 5ft7 and 115lbs and made natural beginner gains to 145lbs before a friend convinced me to take a pro hormone. After my cycle I was 6'2 210lbs which was exactly 1 year after i started working out more seriously.
    So.... you grew 7 inches at 23 years old? You claim to be 24 now right? And you took the PH a year and a half ago, which would make you 22-23, and went from 5'7 to 6'2 in one year.... at 23 years of age.... Doubt it. Your profile said 19, that wasn't by accident it seems.
    Stay away from the stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sark View Post
    So.... you grew 7 inches at 23 years old? You claim to be 24 now right? And you took the PH a year and a half ago, which would make you 22-23, and went from 5'7 to 6'2 in one year.... at 23 years of age.... Doubt it. Your profile said 19, that wasn't by accident it seems.
    Stay away from the stuff.
    I would be happy to show pictures as well as my ID however I am not going to show my ID. let me know if you would like pictures lol. I was the smallest kid in highschool and college (that is why I started lifting and took the PH. I did not even have facial hair at 21) I turn 24 in March (rounded to 24 by 1 month) Thanks for the helpful information on my age.

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    You're a troll.... you gained 65lbs in 2 months and still had abs lol you have no credibility. I'm also confused at the 7" height increase also I'm laughing at your 8.5% bf in your profile it also says you're 19 which I believe to be the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redz View Post
    You're a troll.... you gained 65lbs in 2 months and still had abs lol you have no credibility. I'm also confused at the 7" height increase also I'm laughing at your 8.5% bf in your profile it also says you're 19 which I believe to be the truth.
    redz, I pmed you pictures lol. I thought this forum would be a little more welcoming but anyways, I did not set my age to be 19 which is confusing to me. I checked my settings and it does say my correct birthday (1993)? why is it displaying my age to be 19?

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    You aren't 8.5% bf more like 15% but the growth claim of 65lbs and still having abs is beyond any world record of growth in a 2 month period. Furthermore I have never heard of someone growing 7" in a 1 and a half year period especially in their 20's. For these reasons I have difficulty believing anything you say.

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    check your pm redz. I had unbearable growing pains on my pro hormone which caused sleep problems. either way you can choose to believe it or not, all I am asking for is advice and help with my cycle. Thanks

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