How to come off after 1+ year blast and cruise (30 yo)

Hey guys,

About me: 30 y/o, been using gear for a little over 2 years. I'm 6'3, 250 lbs, not sure what my body fat is but I'm pretty lean. I compete in powerlifting.

The first year I used gear I was very responsible. I cycled off with PCT, had regular blood tests, ran AI, regularly tested blood pressure etc. Anyways, at some point I decided to blast and cruise mainly because I was worried about losing strength. Now I want to come off for a while (probably like 6 months or so) but I am afraid to and I don't really know what I should do as far as drugs are concerned. When I cycled and came off my natty test levels returned to normal. I have never used HCG. I always run some kind of cycle support for my liver, blood pressure, prostate etc.

I know I'm a f'king idiot and I probably messed up my body for life.

Anyways, common gear I usually run for a blast is a combo of test/tren or test/deca. I haven't run any orals for probably a year. For cruises I'm usually on 300mg test-e or a lower dose.

Any advice on how I can come off? I know my chance of recovery is probably pretty slim but I still want to get off and give my body a rest.

Probably want to look into Dr Scally Power PCT

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Originally Posted by gymrat1504

Hey guys,

About me: 30 y/o, been using gear for a little over 2 years. I'm 6'3, 250 lbs, not sure what my body fat is but I'm pretty lean. I compete in powerlifting.

The first year I used gear I was very responsible. I cycled off with PCT, had regular blood tests, ran AI, regularly tested blood pressure etc. Anyways, at some point I decided to blast and cruise mainly because I was worried about losing strength. Now I want to come off for a while (probably like 6 months or so) but I am afraid to and I don't really know what I should do as far as drugs are concerned. When I cycled and came off my natty test levels returned to normal. I have never used HCG. I always run some kind of cycle support for my liver, blood pressure, prostate etc.

I know I'm a f'king idiot and I probably messed up my body for life.

Anyways, common gear I usually run for a blast is a combo of test/tren or test/deca. I haven't run any orals for probably a year. For cruises I'm usually on 300mg test-e or a lower dose.

Any advice on how I can come off? I know my chance of recovery is probably pretty slim but I still want to get off and give my body a rest.

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Smart. I have my opinion on this, but I don't want to share in case I go against the flow or break any rules since I'm new here. And you may be ok and bounce back. It's a great idea to break like you plan. I really want to hear what Kelkel has to say on this and I hope he chimes in.

The scally approach may work but if it were me I would drop down to 100 mg of test each week and include hcg 250-500 iu 2xew for 8 weeks and then run a pct

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Originally Posted by Bio-Active

The scally approach may work but if it were me I would drop down to 100 mg of test each week and include hcg 250-500 iu 2xew for 8 weeks and then run a pct

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I agree with Bio. You've been shut down for a while. I would maintain a TRT level 100mg to 150mg per week to keep you Test level at homeostasis and then include HCG and Cabergoline for 8 weeks before your PCT.

Make sure you have dropped deca for a good 5-6 weeks before starting the PCT, deca tends to linger for long periods plus if your prolactin was raised from it also takes a few weeks to get back to normal.
So, if you need, do what Bio suggested at 100mg per week together with 250ui HCG twice a week.

For an understanding of which parts of your HPT axis might not be working I would do the following:

14 days after your last test shot:
1000ui HCG EOD, so 5000ui in 10 days. After the 10 days you need bloodwork with total testosterone, free testosterone, estradiol (progesterone, prolactin and DHT if its fits your budget, no need to for LH and FSH)
If the bloodwork shows a satisfactory total test it means your testicles are working and then you can start restarting your hypothalamus and pituitary with:
Clomid 75-50-50-50
Nolva 40-20-20-20 (thats the mgs to take daily during 4 weeks)

8 weeks after finishing do some bloodwork, which now must include LH and FSH.

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Originally Posted by PT1982

I really want to hear what Kelkel has to say on this and I hope he chimes in.

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I would say just what BB says above. A slightly toned down Power PCT protocol. Only thing I may change would be to extend the clomid and nolva an extra two weeks and to wait 12 weeks for final BW. I know that will test someones patience with the extra 4 weeks but if access to BW is limited then I think waiting is worthwhile. If you have easy access I'd test at 8 weeks like BB suggested and then again in another 8 weeks.

What were you thinking PT? We're always looking for different opinions here.

Follow the advice above and don't despair.

I've been on for two years before without hcg (wasn't common practice then) and I recovered fully, without PCT drugs.
Granted, I was younger, but still think you got a good chance at 30yo.

With the PCT drugs and using hcg and TRT a while before that,
it may not even be that hard.
I don't know if you recover, and that if you do, chances of needing TRT later are higher, but the body can be more resilient than one thinks.
So full recovery is absolutely a possibility.
It will require some determination though.