I haven't much talk about anavar and winstrol. I Created another post about a cycle and was only recommended test. My source is suggesting I take a test and var or win....
Does it make a difference? Any reasons why you should/shouldn’t take it?
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I haven't much talk about anavar and winstrol. I Created another post about a cycle and was only recommended test. My source is suggesting I take a test and var or win....
Does it make a difference? Any reasons why you should/shouldn’t take it?
He recommend taking that to make more money.Quote:
Originally Posted by jjsevens
So no benefits to taking it? I'm working towards a cut and read it's helps.... So is it that it's just not that much or really pointless when it comes down to it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Couchlockd
It does but not like you think.Quote:
Originally Posted by jjsevens
You gotta be there in the mindset first. No point in running your first good cycle as a cut. Save a Matty cut for after pct of first cycle
My thought would be to take Test only cycles for as long as you show gains. If this is your first cycle, then just concentrate at getting the max out of that first cycle. Hard training, clean diet, and AAS. Once you finish your cycle then concentrate on cutting.
Well that's just it, I'm happy with my size, if I get a little bigger, fine. But my goal ultimately is to lean out as much as possible without losing my size/strength that I've put on during my bulk.Quote:
Originally Posted by ScotchGuard02
Toss in clen in a test only cutting cycle, the aas will protect the calorie deficit muscle loss and clen will add a kick to it even more. Anavar would be good as well. But I'd save it for strength and such.Quote:
Originally Posted by jjsevens
All dht are said to help promote direct fat loss, but really no,more than test by any measurable amount.
Its diet dependant.
It's funny my experiences with clen aren't so great. I just can't tolerate it yet I can take a monster cycle with Tren without bad sides. Personally no compound is even 1/10 of the sides that clen gives me even without a high dose.
Ditto. I was hospitalized my first and last time with clenQuote:
Originally Posted by redz
I didn't mind albuterol though it is more mild with a shorter half life.
Me too! It didn't effect my cardiovascular system the way clen did and it was pretty mild. But it's literally the only thing on the planet I'm allergic to. After a few minutes, my face swells up and I look like I just woke up. Other than that it was fine. LolQuote:
Originally Posted by redz
I read up on clen, and don't think I'm going to like it, I've tried methyldrene EPH and other pre-workouts high in caffeine and feel like my hearts going to explode, so forget that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Couchlockd
So should I skip the var? What about win? Again I'm trying to cut and from what I'm reading is it helps.
They're both good. Try the albut of you want to try a thermogenic. If you wanted to. Like Redz said, it has a much shorter half life and easier to manage. My personal belief is that is superior to clen as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by jjsevens
Just run the test on your cut...you will lean out and hold/gain muscle...only if your diet is clean and your doing cardio..you will get fat if you eat shit with no cardio on any drug!Quote:
Originally Posted by jjsevens
Test prop/wimny is my favourite cycle. Dont have to go mad with your doses but the trst will stop you losing gainz while you cut and the winny will make you look dry, veiny and bulky! I run clen with it but very low doses, I dont go over 80mcg or my blood pressure goes through the roof
Whoa. Can you explain. I need to hear this, drop a pm if you don't wanna muddy up a threadQuote:
Originally Posted by PT1982
I have some heart issues anyways, and I should have known better. I took 40mcgs first thing in the am and another 40 around lunch. I felt really bad before my second dose but I didn't attribute it to the clen. Later that evening I was having dinner with my whole family. I got weak at the table and almost collapsed. I was throwing up and shaking uncontrollable. My BP rose to 210/180 so they took me to the emergency room. My heart rate got in the 230s. All of this happened even though I take beta blockers and BP meds daily.Quote:
Originally Posted by Couchlockd
You think,maybe the bp meds, blockers, underlying heart conditions all tied up with clen was the cause?Quote:
Originally Posted by PT1982
.I am a paranoid heart listener, I freak out over the lightest off feeling in my chest.
Ya I know it's all diet, but want that dry/vascular look, isn't that what var/win do for you?Quote:
Originally Posted by mark woods
Never take advice from a source (unless you REALLY trust them as a close friend) They are in business to make money. I treat a source like this; "This is what i want, no subsitutions, no questions, just tell me what i owe you."Quote:
Originally Posted by jjsevens
Anyway a test only cycle is important for the first time so if you get side affects youll know what it is. And cutting is silly during a first cycle. You should be force feeding yourself you gain as much as you can during this vital window of growth. If your going to put your body through this, you should get as much as possible out of it.
Now being your 1st cycle another reason we say test only is beacuse if you have a bad reaction and are taking 2 new compounds which one caused it? Also diet is 95% of your cycle not a bunch of compounds.We here do things the best and safest way.We told you how it should be ran but if you want too listen to your source go ahead and he will have you running 4 or 5 compounds in no time.Try T3 good for cutting fat.Post us a pic so we can see where you are at.
It's not really my first cycle and have been training solid for 2 years. Iike I said I'm happy with the size/strength gains I've gotten on this bulk, I want to keep it all for my cut.... So that being said would adding var/win add to that?Quote:
Originally Posted by songdog
If you diet to cut, and your body fat is relatively low, yes, it will help a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by jjsevens
You know that at our home page, steroid.com you can read many in depth pages about every single steroid, sarm, anciliaries, and everything else we use profiles
This is were we get our info,interpret and hand feed to people here, that and experience
OK thanks.....is there a sticky specific with var/win? I always try looking myself first but didn't find anything on these specifically.Quote:
Originally Posted by Couchlockd
And what would you recommend, var or win? What's eveyones experience?
Its not in the forum, its on the website.Quote:
Originally Posted by jjsevens
https://www.steroid.com/Anavar.php
Everyone is different. I love them both. Winny gives me strength like nothing else. Anavar gives me tren-ish results at a higher dose without the side effects. I love winstrol mid-blast when I'm bulking due to the increased strength. I add or mid cycle as to not lift weights that are too heavy too early to avoid injury. Both are great. I can't say I like one over the other other than hepatoxicity and duration of use.Quote:
Originally Posted by jjsevens
Ok thanks guys, I think I'm going to go with var.
So how much var should I take on this cycle:
500mg test per week. 1-12
.25mg adex eod. 1-14
250iu hcg 2x per week 1-14
And do I need to change or add anything to this PCT since I'll be adding var?
Run hcg and adex up until start of pct, discontinue hcg 3 days before first pct dose, run adex up to first dose.
75/50/50/50 ed per week Clomid
40/20/20/20/20 ed per week Nolva
Thanks for your help.
Minimum anavar would be 60mg per day for at least 6 to 8 weeks.Quote:
Originally Posted by jjsevens
Your going to have A TON OF $$$ tied up in var alone.
If your source has it very cheap, suspect its fake, and probably stanzolol
And do I start taking that at the beginning of the test cycle, mid, end...??Quote:
Originally Posted by Couchlockd
Hmmmmm ok, any idea what it should cost so I know whether this guys legit or not? Is there any way to test it, like a test kit?
Roidtest . com sells a kit to test.Quote:
Originally Posted by jjsevens
Should be about $1 per 10mg tab.
Take it at beginning, middle, or end.
Can I say one thing? Can you please just fucking research this shit. Cuzz all it takes is a tiny tiny bit of effort to find your answers. We all had to
OK will check that out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Couchlockd
Lol I guess I could just google shit, but what good is a forum if you can just do that? And btw there is quite a bit that I have researched on my own to save everyone from the stupid questions, sometimes it just makes sense to ask here since we're already on topic. I do appreciate all your valuable info and time, it's all great stuff. I'm a biker(non-affiliated) and subscribe to a couple of biker forums, we get noobs asking the saaaaame shit all the time, so I get it lol, and why I try to find out on my own.
I do. My heart was beating so hard that it was waking my wife up from the thumping in the mattress. It's not for me at all, but most everyone can use it with minimal sides. I'd not recommend it if you have irregular bears, palpitations, or other hereditary preconditions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Couchlockd
that fucking thing does not work, he tried to copy old labmax. If you want to test winstrol or anavar get the labmax UV testQuote:
Originally Posted by Couchlockd
https://www.labmax.ca/proddetail.php...nstrol_UV_test
labmax has been around for a long time this guy came with copycat a year ago, and he is just reseller from his apartment, somebody else makes this, maybe in China
This is a long thread when really you were going to run either Win or Var and it didn't matter what everyone else gave as advice.
So, I'll throw my thoughts in. What is your BF and what are you aiming for? I found personally that by only consuming carbs around training times and using a lot of active rest in between sets I've managed to keep 80% of my gains post first cycle of 500mg Test E PW and cut up pretty hard aswell.
Why put your body through the strain of AAS when you can cut without??
Seems like a no brainer to me. High Protein to avoid catabolism and jack up the metabolism from HIT or active rest in training.