Silly question

**Marsoc** · 03-11-2017, 07:46 PM

What would be the maximum or minimum amount of testosterone one can inject per week without shutting down their natural system while still achieving a higher testosterone level then naturally allowed. I heard you shut your system down if you inject roughly 200 mg or more recent week. So if I would inject 50 mg of test suspension 2-3 times a week for example as a pre-workout for leg day, back day and chest. do you think that would shut my natural system down at all or would it shut it down for that day too where I wouldn't need a PCT after
And what I still have a higher than natural test level surrounding them days I do inject for that week or would it just shut me down completely for no reason and not be worth it. I ask this because I'm on the fence about starting my first cycle and being dependent on steroids after if I do mess up my natural system I don't want to risk it all for a few more gains then I would get naturally and I would just have to keep using steroids in order to keep them gains and well lose my natural potential. when I could just reach that natural potential with a little more hard work and time of course. But an extra boost would be nice though I guess that's why am asking

**The Deadlifting Dog** · 03-11-2017, 07:56 PM

Everybody tries to beat the system...

For example...
Since d-bol has a short half life... If I take it at noon it will be gone by the night so I won't get shut down or...
SARMs aren't suppressive or...
What if I only inject 50mg per week or...
Why inject IM when I can do it all subQ or...
Anavar only suppresses it doesn't shut down or...
What if I take clomid while taking AAS or...
What if I only take test suspension or an oral on my work out days.

The list is endless.

Onto your example...
If you inject enough suspension on your workout days to make a difference in gains then it sure is hell enough to make a difference in your HPTA.
Maybe via your estrogen spiking or something else.

The dark side is full of perils.

**Marsoc** · 03-11-2017, 08:01 PM

I mean 50 mg of testosterone injected is more than the body's natural testosterone produced so even that will get me higher I imagine I guess it's all about the time it would take to recover fully after that you know what I mean I get what you're saying and you're right I guess I'm just trying to see how I can fit it in without messing anything up or being reliant on it you know what I mean just get that little extra boost I don't know I'm gonna see were my diet and training will take me And I'll just keep that stuff in the closet for now

**PT1982** · 03-11-2017, 08:02 PM

Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog

Everybody tries to beat the system...

For example...
Since d-bol has a short half life... If I take it at noon it will be gone by the night so I won't get shut down or...
SARMs aren't suppressive or...
What if I only inject 50mg per week or...
Why inject IM when I can do it all subQ or...
Anavar only suppresses it doesn't shut down or...
What if I take clomid while taking AAS or...
What if I only take test suspension or an oral on my work out days.

The list is endless.

Onto your example...
If you inject enough suspension on your workout days to make a difference in gains then it sure is hell enough to make a difference in your HPTA.
Maybe via your estrogen spiking or something else.

The dark side is full of perils.

This is it Marsoc. X2! He worded it perfectly so think about it. There is a lot to absorb there.

**PT1982** · 03-11-2017, 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by Marsoc

I mean 50 mg of testosterone injected is more than the body's natural testosterone produced so even that will get me higher I imagine I guess it's all about the time it would take to recover fully after that you know what I mean I get what you're saying and you're right I guess I'm just trying to see how I can fit it in without messing anything up or being reliant on it you know what I mean just get that little extra boost I don't know I'm gonna see were my diet and training will take me And I'll just keep that stuff in the closet for now

Wise wise wise. You'll do it when you're ready. I can assure you that when you start you will get solid advice should any problems arise with pct. You really are over worrying about it, but that's not a bad thing. Odds are, if I'm honest and I'm not into scare tactics, you'll bounce right back. The truth is, you don't have to worry so much, but it is good that you do. If that makes sense

**songdog** · 03-11-2017, 08:06 PM

I would PM Bonaparte he is good with all that Medical stuff.

**Bio-Active** · 03-11-2017, 08:07 PM

The answer is none. Any amount of testosterone used will just stop your body from producing that amount cause your brain will not think you need it. Example if your body normal limit is 500 ng/dl and you inject enough to get you up to 550 ng/dl your brain will notice and reduce the amount your body needs to 450 ng/dl to keep you at 500 ng/dl

**Couchlock** · 03-11-2017, 08:18 PM

You can't even trick plants In regards to their hormone feed back processes

**Bio-Active** · 03-11-2017, 08:20 PM

Originally Posted by Couchlockd

You can't even trick plants I, regards to their hormone feed back processes

Correct its all part of the negative feedback loop.

**PT1982** · 03-11-2017, 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by songdog

I would PM Bonaparte he is good with all that Medical stuff.

He's good with everything! Lol. That guy is my hero

**Richard Cabeza** · 03-12-2017, 01:20 AM

The human body is highly adaptive and efficient, there's no way around it. You find the answer to this and you're going to do what scientist for years have failed at and will be a rich motherfucker lol

How could ones body produce normal amounts of test, body doesn't recognize the test levels as normal but still uses the test and allows supplemented amounts of test to be introduced to the system to make the body think it has a normal amount all the while utilizing higher amounts ....this is essentially what you're asking for because thats what would need to happen. The body would need to be tricked into thinking it has low test levels while using normal test levels then taking supplemented test, reading it as normal but using the actual elevated amount ... fuck

**Marsoc** · 03-12-2017, 12:43 PM

So it wouldn't be to my Benefit using such small amounts. I wonder how long it will take me to recover each time I feel I were to just use test suspension as a pre workout here and there

**Marsoc** · 03-12-2017, 12:43 PM

Yeh guys I know I'm over complicating it ..either do it or don't. But I just really don't want to impede anything I go at going and be dependant. ..hmm.

**Obs** · 03-12-2017, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by Marsoc

So it wouldn't be to my Benefit using such small amounts. I wonder how long it will take me to recover each time I feel I were to just use test suspension as a pre workout here and there

Just hcg it man 30 bucks will run you 6 weeks.

I like guns, chainsaws, truck parts, equipment of all sorts, tools, explosives, etc....

There is not a thing I wiuld rather spend money on than gear, CAN I GET A HALLELUJAH AMEN!!!???

**jjsevens** · 03-12-2017, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by Marsoc

Yeh guys I know I'm over complicating it ..either do it or don't. But I just really don't want to impede anything I go at going and be dependant. ..hmm.

Funny you and I are in the same boat, this is all a total mind fuck, looking for some way not to have to go aas or at least full blast.... There just is not answer, it's all the way or not at all, sucks.

**Back In Black** · 03-12-2017, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by songdog

I would PM Bonaparte he is good with all that Medical stuff.

I bet he loves a PM, lol

**Marsoc** · 03-12-2017, 10:06 PM

Right I just don't feel I need it but then again I wouldn't mind

**PT1982** · 03-12-2017, 10:14 PM

Originally Posted by Back In Black

I bet he loves a PM, lol

Lol! I'll have to refrain if I ever actually needed advice haha

**PT1982** · 03-12-2017, 10:21 PM

Originally Posted by Marsoc

Right I just don't feel I need it but then again I wouldn't mind

When you do get on, you'll wonder what all the fuss was about Marsoc. I promise you that I'll leave the site before I intentionally give bad advice. But you're ready buddy. I'm not pressuring you by means. I do know that you'll of wished to have already started. Good luck to you as I'm really excited about hearing you log progress reports every few days. I love reading those for first timers. You got it man. I'm personally vested here and I truly feel you're as ready as you're ever going to be. Beach season is right around the corner!!! Lol. Best of luck to you sir.

*EDIT* -Marsoc, what part of the US are you from? Close to chattanooga by chance?

**Couchlock** · 03-12-2017, 10:23 PM

Originally Posted by PT1982

When you do get on, you'll wonder what all the fuss was about Marsoc. I promise you that I'll leave the site before I intentionally give bad advice. But you're ready buddy. I'm not pressuring you by means. I do know that you'll of wished to have already started. Good luck to you asks I'm really excited about hearing you log progress reports every few days. I love reading those for first timers. You got it man. I'm personally vested here and I truly feel you're as ready as you're ever going to be. Beach season is right around the corner!!! Lol. Best of luck to you sir.

I'd say once your ready,hold off till you can't take it its line saving a big ole bud of super skunk for months going abstinent so you get crushed when you do blaze it.

Oops sorry for the analogy....

**Obs** · 03-12-2017, 10:26 PM

Originally Posted by Couchlockd

I'd say once your ready,hold off till you can't take it its line saving a big ole bud of super skunk for months going abstinent so you get crushed when you do blaze it.

Oops sorry for the analogy....

If I didnt know better I would swear you smoked the dube from time to time. No offense meant. Just assumption.

**Couchlock** · 03-12-2017, 10:32 PM

Originally Posted by Obspowerstroke

If I didnt know better I would swear you smoked the dube from time to time. No offense meant. Just assumption.

Hehe, been clean since I quit cigarettes 19 days ago.

I wanna see what its like to breathe normal for once in 15 years.

But yes, your assumptions were are correct up to 19 days ago

**Obs** · 03-12-2017, 10:34 PM

Originally Posted by Couchlockd

Hehe, been clean since I quit cigarettes 19 days ago.

I wanna see what its like to breathe normal for once in 15 years.

But yes, your assumptions were are correct up to 19 days ago

My gf is a smoker but not the right handed kind. It does not do anything to her like it does to me. It put me down and out cold immediately. It makes her happy and horny so I fully support it.

**PT1982** · 03-12-2017, 10:50 PM

You and I, and both our better halves are the same way! Lol. Sounded just like something I would say about us.

**Mr.BB** · 03-12-2017, 11:00 PM

Originally Posted by PT1982

When you do get on, you'll wonder what all the fuss was about Marsoc

The problem is not when on, the problem is once you're off.

**PT1982** · 03-12-2017, 11:05 PM

Originally Posted by Mr.BB

The problem is not when on, the problem is once you're off.

Very true. Grimm times ahead Marsoc!

**The Deadlifting Dog** · 03-13-2017, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by Mr.BB

The problem is not when on, the problem is once you're off.

So very true.
I have a 26yr old powerlifting friend who is getting ready to start his first cycle.
Simple 500 test, AI, hCG , and PCT of nolva and clomid.

I told him being on is great but the downside is knowing that when you come off you have 3-4 months of training where your whole goal is just trying to maintain most of the gains.

Lifting for 4 months and getting weaker is very hard emotionally.

**600@50** · 03-13-2017, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by Mr.BB

The problem is not when on, the problem is once you're off.

This is when you start looking at TRT. It's not all bad. 24 years of TRT and some cycles in between. But yes it's when you're not on that's the problem.

**DocToxin8** · 03-14-2017, 04:07 AM

Freeze down your sperm and then full throttle ahead! Lol.

Not sure if 2 weeks on an oral, then 4-6 weeks off, repeat, would do much,
but in theory you wouldn't be suppressed for long.

Saw some studies on HGH in children were 4u EOD provided better long term results than 2U ED (due to less negative feed back on days off),
but even if it was possible with gear to do the same,
everyone eventually ends up on real cycles as that's really the only way.

**Couchlock** · 03-14-2017, 07:55 AM

Originally Posted by DocToxin8

Freeze down your sperm and then full throttle ahead! Lol.

Not sure if 2 weeks on an oral, then 4-6 weeks off, repeat, would do much,
but in theory you wouldn't be suppressed for long.

Saw some studies on HGH in children were 4u EOD provided better long term results than 2U ED (due to less negative feed back on days off),
but even if it was possible with gear to do the same,
everyone eventually ends up on real cycles as that's really the only way.

I wondered about this.

If ya don't mind me asking. Would it do better than nothing?

Or would you be slightly less recovered after each 4 week break. Leading to a complete shut down very far down the line?

Like 1st break you cake back 95%, second break 85%, 3rd break 75% and so on and such?