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Hi guys I'm new on Tren and Anadrol.....
I started using Tren E with Sust and Anadrol, On my second week I got swollen ankles. Went to the Dr for check up he discovered damage on Kidneys, eGFR is at 50.
Which one is more harsh on the kidneys between injectables and orals?
How do you suggest I continue with my cycle?
Calculated eGFR? if so its a poor kidney marker for ppl doing bodybuilding as it calculated from creatinine and based on formulas for ppl with normal body mass.
Swollen ankles can be from the steroid use, although there are a number of conditions that will lead to it, can you post your full bloodwork and stats?
Also post all the ancillaries and protocol you are following. You posted too little information.
Have kidney damage been confirmed by urine tests? How often do you control your blood pressure, and whats its values on tren cycle?
well the oral Anadrol is more liver toxic IMO.
but as stated, creatinin levels are used as markers for liver or kidney issues and not really applicable to lifters or even people that just take extra creatin, they need to look at other things.
I just want to add that that doesnt mean you dont have an issue, you should look into it deeper is all. and DONT mention illegal off script use compounds you are using. if anything some herbal muscle booster you got online, if anythin. and play stupid (unless your life directly depended on it ofcourse)
I'm sorry that was Creatinine not eGFR......will post the results later.
The real test for kidneys is the 24 hour urine test and possibly an ultrasound. The creatinine is a gage but not the end of all.Quote:
Originally Posted by kutlwana
Does creatine supplementation increase serum creatinine? I haven't found a study showing a correlation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Juced_porkchop
My levels are unusually high for my size.
first think that comes to mind with swollen ankles high E2 levels you are holding water , edemo I think its called something like that
what AI are you running and what does?
That's just it, we don't really have enough data on that,Quote:
Originally Posted by bizzarro
any In theory it should raise creatinine, and probably does raise creatinine excretion.
eGFR isn't a very good marker I agree.
Elevated creatinine is normal to a point.
Mine has always been somewhat elevated, but eGRF usually lies at >60 regardless.
You need a full blood panel OP.
If your kidneys are taking a beating make sure that your BP is normal.
Yeah doc your big and the muscle mass can account for minor elevations, but I don't really should have mine at 1.47 mg/dL, I need to keep an eye on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by DocToxin8
Maybe when elevated liver enzymes occurred some months ago from ibuprofen perhaps it also went to tax the kidneys. That crap is toxic, after all the effort we put into safe administration of illegal hormones from black market it's absurd if you think such damage could happen from something selled otc.
I actually had testing while taking creatine and 6 weeks without and there was no difference in the creatinine levels. Granted mine were double the level which led to the belief that the kidneys were screwed up. Ultrasound and 24 hour urine showed everything was good with kidneys...... Just alot of protein in my diet.Quote:
Originally Posted by bizzarro
All for the sake of science LOL
That's good to know. Actually I did eat a whole 2lb turkey leg the night before drawing blood, perhaps I shouldn't have. Didn't mind it lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by charger69
Yo. Not to flame u, but what are u doing in the tren + drol world? Going for the Olympia?.Its Pianas favourite stack for sure, but even he says no to the risk.Quote:
Originally Posted by kutlwana
Bet u should have a lots ofcycles in your belt running this.
Stil dont know that orals are more dangerous to the organs.
Fishy.