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Hi, I'm planing to do another run of TRT with t-enanthate and want to run HCG with it. I've never ran hcg before and my research on it still doesn't answer the dosage question so I figured I'd just ask. I'm planning to do 375 mgs of T-Enen weekly for 30 weeks. I'm 40 yrs old & have moderate cycle experience from my younger years. I was never any good at PCT's which left me with low-t. I've done low & long TRT before just never with hcg.
Any advice would be appreciated!!
Thanks.
That is a really high TRT dose. Make sure you monitor your hemoatocrit levels because I can guarantee you are going to have to donate blood at some point running that dose for that long.
As far as HCG dose i run and most other people on TRT run 250iu 2x per week.
True that but its how I convinced myself out of running a full cycle. In the past I've run 250mgs for 40 weeks as a TRT dose & still may. I originally thought HCG was for PCT but my research said otherwise. What would my PCT look like after this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dj Screw
Yeah, run HCG the entire time while on cycle and stop it right before PCT is the best way to do it. I am not sure on PCT doses/duration because I have been on TRT and haven't had to run one. Someone will chime in on thatQuote:
Originally Posted by senior_xj
To be honest running test for 30-40 weeks at your age is probably going to be tuff to recover from. Be prepared for low natural test/TRT after your cycle
As I continue to research, I found out that it's not recommended to run HCG longer than 6 weeks even while on cycle. Can anyone respond to this and give some insight as to how to apply it for a low & long test/trt style cycle? Please & thank you!
250 iu's x 2 per week is fine. This is about the average dose guys do for life when on TRT. Whoever told you (or you read) that it's not recommended to run HCG longer than 6 weeks on cycle is an idiot, to be honest.Quote:
Originally Posted by senior_xj
That said, 375 mgs per week is not trt at all. It's a cycle. Don't kid yourself or let anyone tell you differently. If you need TRT then find a good doc and establish a protocol and get stable with it. After that you can cycle as desired without the need for pct, ever. You should not be going off and on TRT. You either need it or you don't.
In NY I was on my way to getting TRT but here in VA, I have no health insurance & have exhausted all options so a doc is out of the question. As for the dosage, your right & i may bring it down to 250 or 200 weekly. If I do then I may run it for a year straight, so is it ok to run the HCG at. 250 twice weekly for that whole year??Quote:
Originally Posted by kelkel
I dont see why u should run hcg on trt. Is it more healthy in the long run? I doubt it. Piana said, women dont care about your balls, they see your dick!
Ok im a newbi trt`er with just 5 weeks in my belt, but man, one thing is running test for life, another thing is running another drug for life.
U say 500 iu hcg for eternity have no sides what so ever?
375mgs is a full cycle. So you haven't really talked yourself out of running a cycle. I think you just want to be "on" all the time. At your age, 150mgs should be more than sufficient. Although bloodwork will be the deciding factor. You're 40 man. Show some wisdom and be safe. We aren't getting any younger, no matter how good this stuff makes us feel.Quote:
Originally Posted by senior_xj
I'm 35 and use 150mgs of test weekly if that tells you anything. I'm in the 750 range with slightly elevated E2, which I prefer.
Piana is a dipshit. You can't honestly take that bafoon seriouslyQuote:
Originally Posted by Silabolin
Well, there are a few clinics out there that are reasonable to keep things legal, if you so choose. Defy Medical would probably be at the top of my list. I'd suggest you start at a lower number (under 200) and then use a private source to check basic blood work after about 6 weeks. See where things land and if an AI is needed or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by senior_xj
Yes, HCG is safe. Those of us on TRT who actually care for our testicals run HCG as part of our protocols. Which means for life. Read the sticky thread at the top of the HRT Forum regarding HCG as it will help educate you more. I don't understand why your concerned this much about the safety of running HCG yet have no issue with shutting down your HPTA and running T for a year? Follow me here? HCG will maintain testicular function which comes to a halt when running exogenous testosterone. If you care about your boys, use it.
Without question it's more healthy in the long run. Sil to say it's not means you've read absolutely nothing on it's use and effects. Virtually every top doc in the HRT world recommends HCG. Note that Piana is not a top doc, sorry. Listen to him for BBing all you like. For health I'd choose someone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silabolin
When it comes to running another drug for life well, that comes with the territory. When you shut down your HPTA there's a cascade of events downstream that follow suit. There's simply no reason to shut down testicular function when you don't have to. Will you survive without HCG, sure. Would you be better with it, absolutely.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4378070/
So you had blood work done and they said you had low T? How low? You keep saying TRT. I have been on TRT aka HRT for 5 ish years and I do 70mg test cyp every 3.5 days subq (140mg week), give blood every 10 weeks, 250iu's HCG twice a week, 12.5mg stane daily and 5mg cialis daily. This is a HRT protocol. It appears you want to do a test only cycle. Unless you actually have low T just do a 10-12 week cycle with proper PCT.Quote:
Originally Posted by senior_xj
Besides cosmetic?...why is it more healthy...cholestrol, hct, bp, alat?Quote:
Originally Posted by kelkel
And hpta will be shutdown nomatter if u swim in hcg.
The Benefits of HCG for MenQuote:
Originally Posted by Silabolin
Point #1 & 6
Did you bother to read the link. In short, it maintains testicular function, stops shrinkage and possible resultant pain, allows the continued production of intratesticular testosterone. Why on earth would anyone not want that? I can't imagine letting any body part wither away. HCG mimics LH function. You have LH receptors throughout your body. Most who use HCG report a better sense of well-being. Yes, your HPTA remains shut down but again, there's no reason to shut down your testicals as well. Modern science evolves. And no, there are no negative sides to low dose HCG, unless healthy testicals are considered negative.
With that said, if someone doesn't care about their testicals, fertility, possible pain etc, then I would not bother with it either quite honestly. Just a personal choice.
My balls are half the size they should be right now because I ran out of slin pins and started dosing hcg once a week at 500iu instead of 250iu twice a week. Hcg is the testicle saving messiah.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silabolin
I have ran 500mg cycles without it in the past and I assure you I will never do that again.
In fact next cycle I am going to bump it up to 325mg twice a week as a precaution. I have zero negative sides from hcg.
325mg of test e is above and beyond trt. 200mg is a very high trt dose. I like my balls so I love hcg.
Kel nice avatar, when are you gonna post a full front pic?
I've posted them for years in the diary. Last was maybe a month or so ago..
Hadnt seen themQuote:
Originally Posted by kelkel
Thanks for the info!
I'm going to try responding to everything as best as I can. To clear some stuff up, a bit of history. After a decade in the gym naturally, I first started using around my mid 20's with great results. By my 3rd or 4th cycle, I had upped my game shooting an amp of sust eod which is 250mgs & 2 other compounds at high doses that I cant quite remember. Possibly anadrol (a-bombs) and or deca but not sure as I'm getting old & memory isn't the best. I started getting pains in my side leading to hospital visits and long story short, my gallbladder stopped working & it was removed. I was mid cycle on high doses going back & forth to docs & the hospital over the course of a month or 2, taking late shots, missing shots and eventually ending it abruptly with NO pct!! Please don't judge as we all live & learn. Anyway, this fucked me up pretty bad & my next course of action was to run test low & long. Eventually money ran dry so no more test and no more libido.
Over the course of my 30's the only way to perform and physically feel better was with test but could only afford so much. I would buy what I could afford, say 40ml test-e and run 250mgs weekly then come off for a year. It's been several years since I last did that & i can clearly remember that no matter how much test, I still couldn't perform like I used to. I also remember people recommending I use hcg with the test but I never did so. I finally got the guts to bring this up to my doc which is something I should have done years ago but hopefully you guys can understand that doing so isn't easy. The doc also talked about hcg but not at first. There theory was to start small & up the dose as needed. To answer some questions & if my memory serves me right, I think my test levels were around 100 to 150. I was eventually prescribed test-e at 100mgs which I paid way to much for and as luck would have it, I moved out of the area, had to find a new doc who wanted to start over and I wasn't about to go through another 6 months of begging and testing for such little reward.
Now at my current situation, I'm not even getting full erections, tax returns just came in, and its not hard to figure out my thoughts on going back on test and trying hcg with it. I do have a doc but everything is out of pocket so the visits are $120, I pay for any tests & blood work, and I buy the scripts i can afford. I do plan to ask for blood work before I start to get a base line then go from there. I had also stopped working out for a long time and had started back up last September. I've made progress but am finding out that it's twice as hard as it used to be. That's the part of me that wants to bump the test up past trt doses but I haven't fully made that decision.
Hope that helps..
Everybody makes mistakes senior. I'd still consider somewhere like Defy Medical if you can. A couple of the top doc's are associated with them (Dr's Saya and Crisler) and treat people properly. At least give them a call and investigate it a little.