Why only 12 weeks?

From what I've read for a basic cycle you should only run 500mg of test per week for 12 weeks, followed by 4-5 weeks pct.

Anything wrong wrong with pushing it for an extra 4 weeks? Just curious as to when to start my next cycle, I'm building up for the summer and want my gains to last me all the way till at least September. So I either start later, or if possible, maybe I run the cycle for an extra 4 weeks.

I'm going to guess there are health reasons for only running a 12 week cycle, but again just curious to know.

the test only thing is for the firsdt cycle. For a "next" u could add deca u know.

But 16 weeks..no.Yeah..healt issues. And you gains will last until 1 september even if u quit 1 august. Test e will stay in the system to 15-20 august and u will not start loosing gains before sept

Split the difference and go 14 if you like. Assuming there are no health related issues and BW is on point.

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Originally Posted by jjsevens

From what I've read for a basic cycle you should only run 500mg of test per week for 12 weeks, followed by 4-5 weeks pct.

Anything wrong wrong with pushing it for an extra 4 weeks? Just curious as to when to start my next cycle, I'm building up for the summer and want my gains to last me all the way till at least September. So I either start later, or if possible, maybe I run the cycle for an extra 4 weeks.

I'm going to guess there are health reasons for only running a 12 week cycle, but again just curious to know.

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I myself don't believe in running any cycle shorter that 15-16 weeks. Why put your body through all that flux, just so right when you start making gains, you come off?

Note: this is for injectables only, oral steroids is another matter.

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Originally Posted by MuscleScience

I myself don't believe in running any cycle shorter that 15-16 weeks. Why put your body through all that flux, just so right when you start making gains, you come off?

Note: this is for injectables only, oral steroids is another matter.

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u start to gain at week 15?..cool..a steroid.com AR HOF runs cycles where the gains not start before week 15.

Thats what i have said from day one..ARguys knowledge is so overrated.

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Originally Posted by jjsevens

From what I've read for a basic cycle you should only run 500mg of test per week for 12 weeks, followed by 4-5 weeks pct.

Anything wrong wrong with pushing it for an extra 4 weeks? Just curious as to when to start my next cycle, I'm building up for the summer and want my gains to last me all the way till at least September. So I either start later, or if possible, maybe I run the cycle for an extra 4 weeks.

I'm going to guess there are health reasons for only running a 12 week cycle, but again just curious to know.

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I recently tried and finished a longer cycle. I wondered the same thing as you and decided to try for myself. There is a peak gains period for me between week 6 and 10. Test only cycle and my strength (which is what I primarily train for) increased dramatically in this period every workout. Then after this period the gains were better than before the cycle, but not even close to the peak period. If I keep everything until next cycle and experience a peak period again with great gains, then 10-12 week cycles are by far the most effective and efficient. So the additional gains are negligible and the side effects greater with those additional 4 weeks in my opinion. By the way you should not lose your gains just because the cycle ends.

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Originally Posted by Silabolin

u start to gain at week 15?..cool..a steroid.com AR HOF runs cycles where the gains not start before week 15.

Thats what i have said from day one..ARguys knowledge is so overrated.

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Damn Sil, you need to work on your reading comprehension...

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Originally Posted by Silabolin

u start to gain at week 15?..cool..a steroid.com AR HOF runs cycles where the gains not start before week 15.

Thats what i have said from day one..ARguys knowledge is so overrated.

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stop stirring the shit sill....it stinks...

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Originally Posted by Silabolin

u start to gain at week 15?..cool..a steroid.com AR HOF runs cycles where the gains not start before week 15.

Thats what i have said from day one..ARguys knowledge is so overrated.

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Let me help you with the language here. He meant that he finds it pointless to quit the cycle right after you have made some gains. You are not being helpful to those new to AAS trying to figure how it all works.

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Originally Posted by Silabolin

the test only thing is for the firsdt cycle. For a "next" u could add deca u know.

But 16 weeks..no.Yeah..healt issues. And you gains will last until 1 september even if u quit 1 august. Test e will stay in the system to 15-20 august and u will not start loosing gains before sept

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You don't need a 19Nor on your 2nd cycle keep using as lil as you can for as long as you can.And you have a window in which you grow once it closes be smart enough to stop.And if you eat right and train right you won't lose all your gains.

12 weeks is a good starting off point for first timers and those new to anabolics. It's more a reference than it is gospel. Less time on = faster recovery is the basic theory behind it. Which holds merit and potential truth. Being on TRT, I just blast and cruise at my leisure and could run anywhere from a 4 week blast to a 20 week blast. If you're hpta is healthy, there isn't any reason to do this because the risk is so high. Only people other than TRT guys that should do this is if they plan to, or are, competing. 12 weeks is just a good and solid jump off point of reference.

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Originally Posted by rnsplg

I recently tried and finished a longer cycle. I wondered the same thing as you and decided to try for myself. There is a peak gains period for me between week 6 and 10. Test only cycle and my strength (which is what I primarily train for) increased dramatically in this period every workout. Then after this period the gains were better than before the cycle, but not even close to the peak period. If I keep everything until next cycle and experience a peak period again with great gains, then 10-12 week cycles are by far the most effective and efficient. So the additional gains are negligible and the side effects greater with those additional 4 weeks in my opinion. By the way you should not lose your gains just because the cycle ends.

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Thats why I run 16 week cycles with an oral kickstart as well as a finisher. This time around, I'm doing 600 test/300 deca/300 tren for 16 weeks, with 50mg dbol for the first 6 weeks, and 20mg Superdrol the last 4.

Once you throw an oral back into the mix, the gains keep coming. However, I'm not sure I see the value of blasting beyond 16, maybe even 20 weeks, unless running a long term low-moderate dose of test and deca and/or masteron or something similar.

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Originally Posted by Truthwalker

Thats why I run 16 week cycles with an oral kickstart as well as a finisher. This time around, I'm doing 600 test/300 deca/300 tren for 16 weeks, with 50mg dbol for the first 6 weeks, and 20mg Superdrol the last 4.

Once you throw an oral back into the mix, the gains keep coming. However, I'm not sure I see the value of blasting beyond 16, maybe even 20 weeks, unless running a long term low-moderate dose of test and deca and/or masteron or something similar.

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Do you feel the gains from the finisher are retainable? I always thought the kickstarter gains are more retainable because you have more workouts with that higher strength, more growth phases, whereas with a finisher you get those strength gains from water/nitrogen retention, CNS activation et.c. but not enough time to make the muscles adapt (and grow) to keep the gains. Never tried myself though.

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Originally Posted by PT1982

12 weeks is a good starting off point for first timers and those new to anabolics. It's more a reference than it is gospel. Less time on = faster recovery is the basic theory behind it. Which holds merit and potential truth. Being on TRT, I just blast and cruise at my leisure and could run anywhere from a 4 week blast to a 20 week blast. If you're hpta is healthy, there isn't any reason to do this because the risk is so high. Only people other than TRT guys that should do this is if they plan to, or are, competing. 12 weeks is just a good and solid jump off point of reference.

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Could you please explain your theory behind 4 weekers vs 20 weekers? Do you use the same single compound for 20 weeks and still gain?

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Originally Posted by rnsplg

Could you please explain your theory behind 4 weekers vs 20 weekers? Do you use the same single compound for 20 weeks and still gain?

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I blast and cruise year round. I'm on TRT, so I have less risk than someone with naturally health test levels. A 4 weeker, for example, might be add an oral. Or maybe I want to run tren or npp at 200mgs daily. Or a longer blast I could use 700mgs of primo a week. Or a can plan a 20 weeker be just 4 on 4 off or 4 on 2 off.

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Originally Posted by rnsplg

Do you feel the gains from the finisher are retainable? I always thought the kickstarter gains are more retainable because you have more workouts with that higher strength, more growth phases, whereas with a finisher you get those strength gains from water/nitrogen retention, CNS activation et.c. but not enough time to make the muscles adapt (and grow) to keep the gains. Never tried myself though.

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Yes they are retainable with an on point diet and training program. I also am on TRT though, so I don't have to worry about being in a catabolic state while trying to jumpstart my natty test production.

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Originally Posted by PT1982

12 weeks is a good starting off point for first timers and those new to anabolics. It's more a reference than it is gospel. Less time on = faster recovery is the basic theory behind it. Which holds merit and potential truth. Being on TRT, I just blast and cruise at my leisure and could run anywhere from a 4 week blast to a 20 week blast. If you're hpta is healthy, there isn't any reason to do this because the risk is so high. Only people other than TRT guys that should do this is if they plan to, or are, competing. 12 weeks is just a good and solid jump off point of reference.

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Be smart to keep a close eye on your prostate with cycle approaching 20 weeks.

Sorry off topic, but for an oral like anavar, would you consider this a starter or finisher? My next cycle will be a cut, 500mg of test for 12 weeks, with 60mg of anavar for 8 weeks. When would you suggest I start the anavar, beginning, mid or ending with the 12 week cycle? Just got me thinking with some of the points you made.

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Originally Posted by kelkel

Be smart to keep a close eye on your prostate with cycle approaching 20 weeks.

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Unfortunately, 2x yearly.....lol. I haven't ran anything more than 10 weeks in years probably. I'm usually short blasts from 4-6 weeks to "long" blasts from 8-10.

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Originally Posted by jjsevens

Sorry off topic, but for an oral like anavar, would you consider this a starter or finisher? My next cycle will be a cut, 500mg of test for 12 weeks, with 60mg of anavar for 8 weeks. When would you suggest I start the anavar, beginning, mid or ending with the 12 week cycle? Just got me thinking with some of the points you made.

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Personally, I would use it as a finisher. It's always treated me right doing so. But with 6-8 week blasts, I usually use it the duration.

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Originally Posted by jjsevens

Sorry off topic, but for an oral like anavar, would you consider this a starter or finisher? My next cycle will be a cut, 500mg of test for 12 weeks, with 60mg of anavar for 8 weeks. When would you suggest I start the anavar, beginning, mid or ending with the 12 week cycle? Just got me thinking with some of the points you made.

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Finisher for sure. With a kickstarter, the idea is to realize some big quick gains with a heavier oral like dbol, anadrol, or superdrol. Superdrol is unique in that it packs on significant amounts of LBM in a short amount of time, but can also lean you out at the same time and as such can be used as either a kickstart or a finisher.

Finishers are typically geared more towards solidifying the gains you have made on cycle, possibly dropping some bf and hardening up than packing on more mass. But that's why I like superdrol so much, it does both.

I would suggest starting the Anavar in week 6, and running it two weeks past your last injection, right up until you start pct.

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