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    3rd Cycle Advice

    Looking advice for a 3rd cycle.
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    6'4" 240, I'd guess 12 or 13% bodyfat.
    Bench (not sure, never done more than 315, but I can do it 10X)
    Squat (you guys squat? - j/k, again, never do more than 315, but rep it 10X)
    Still pretty agile, relative to a 35yr old, do a day a week of plyo/stairs/sprints

    1st cycle - 8 or 10 weeks (can't remember, in the log)
    tren Ace - 100 bumped to 150 EOD
    Test 200 1X a week.
    .25 adex 2X a week
    .25 caber 2X a week

    2nd Cycle - 6 weeks
    Tren Ace - 200 EOD
    Test 250 1X a week.
    .25 Adex 2X a week, .5 caber 2X a week
    Started accutane here also.
    Bad cholesterol got high, good cholesterol got low.
    After finding this out I started taking krill oil and flushing fast acting niacin 2X a day

    Now that all of the stuff you guys are going to ask for is out of the way, I need help with my 3rd cycle.
    Length will be 12 weeks
    I'd like it to be test based, as in run a long esther at 700weekly (2 pins)

    The problem -- I'd like to run something alongside the test to "cut" like tren, but I want it to be cholesterol friendly (i know I know, its going to be higher on AAS--but it was damn near 200 total with HIGH bad and LOW good on tren).

    I've though about

    Tren - 100mg ACE eod,
    but everything I read says sides on tren are terrible if test is higher than tren. I have some evidence of this as I've run
    200EOD and the only side I ever had was high cholesterol (which I felt like would have happened regardless at 200Tren
    EOD).
    In addition, its my understanding that tren is one of the harsher AAS on cholesterol.

    EQ - 600 weekly
    But I've just read 3 posts saying it EQ is worthless

    Winstrol /Var
    My research (and a couple members on here verified) that winstrol is out of the question if I want to keep my
    cholesterol in check. My research also suggests that any oral is no bueno for cholesterol.

    So essentially, my question boils down to this: is there a way I can run high test AND a "cutting" AAS that will not just absolutely wreck my LDL and HDL? Thanks in advance for the advice.

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    Why not just a higher test cycle since you've not done that yet?
    Tren in any amount will crush your cholesterol.
    Why not Anavar ? Arguably the safest oral there is.
    Cutting is all diet unless nearing a contest and BF extremely low, then certain aas can and will contribute greatly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    Why not just a higher test cycle since you've not done that yet?
    Tren in any amount will crush your cholesterol.
    Why not Anavar ? Arguably the safest oral there is.
    Cutting is all diet unless nearing a contest and BF extremely low, then certain aas can and will contribute greatly.
    Kel I was under the impression that the 2 types of AAS to avoid for cholesterol (in addition to tren) are AAS in the DHT family, and any oral, anavar included. Based on your post it seems as though my understanding is erroneous.

    I put "cutting" in quotes because I was looking for what people consider a "cutting" AAS, like anavar. I really liked the way I didn't look puffy when I was on tren, I was hoping that by taking a "cutting" steroid I could avoid the puffy look. Although admittedly, research has told me that I can likely avoid that look even on high dose test with proper AI administration.

    When you suggest higher dose test and anavar, what doses did you have in mind? And at the dose of test you suggest, what is your recommendation for arimidex dosing and schedule?
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    Just stick with what has worked for you in the post past n it'll still work for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PT1982 View Post
    Just stick with what has worked for you in the post past n it'll still work for you.
    What has worked in the past has been tren .....lol

    Maybe it's time to give the tren a miss this time around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by petemitchell30 View Post
    Kel I was under the impression that the 2 types of AAS to avoid for cholesterol (in addition to tren ) are AAS in the DHT family, and any oral, anavar included. Based on your post it seems as though my understanding is erroneous.

    I put "cutting" in quotes because I was looking for what people consider a "cutting" AAS, like anavar. I really liked the way I didn't look puffy when I was on tren, I was hoping that by taking a "cutting" steroid I could avoid the puffy look. Although admittedly, research has told me that I can likely avoid that look even on high dose test with proper AI administration.

    When you suggest higher dose test and anavar, what doses did you have in mind? And at the dose of test you suggest, what is your recommendation for arimidex dosing and schedule?

    Your thoughts re chol are basically on point. All aas can impact chol but with anavar it's minimal compared to most. Even in elderly, non-active people. Re tren-a I'm not arguing against it, it's an extremely effective compound with great lipolysis qualities. When using any AAS I'd suggest supplements to support your cholesterol such as Fish Oil, Slo-Niacin and Red Yeast Rice. Real RYR, not store bought in the U.S. as the natural statins have been removed per the FDA. You need to buy powder form from a source outside the U.S., such as Hard Rhino, etc. Worst tasting stuff ever made (seriously) but it works, without question.

    Re doses, you've never done over 250 mgs test per your first post. I'd probably consider 5-750 mgs test with 40 var. I don't really know anyone who needs more than 750 test, imho. Guys who continually feel they need to up their dosing to ridiculous levels are the ones who continually refuse to work harder on training and nutrition, imho again.

    Re adex at 500 T I'd use .25 eod. At 750 I'd go with .5 M-W-F and as always, pull BW around 6 weeks in to monitor. Also give blood prior to initiating any cycle and then again 8 weeks later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    Your thoughts re chol are basically on point. All aas can impact chol but with anavar it's minimal compared to most. Even in elderly, non-active people. Re tren -a I'm not arguing against it, it's an extremely effective compound with great lipolysis qualities. When using any AAS I'd suggest supplements to support your cholesterol such as Fish Oil, Slo-Niacin and Red Yeast Rice. Real RYR, not store bought in the U.S. as the natural statins have been removed per the FDA. You need to buy powder form from a source outside the U.S., such as Hard Rhino, etc. Worst tasting stuff ever made (seriously) but it works, without question.

    Re doses, you've never done over 250 mgs test per your first post. I'd probably consider 5-750 mgs test with 40 var. I don't really know anyone who needs more than 750 test, imho. Guys who continually feel they need to up their dosing to ridiculous levels are the ones who continually refuse to work harder on training and nutrition, imho again.

    Re adex at 500 T I'd use .25 eod. At 750 I'd go with .5 M-W-F and as always, pull BW around 6 weeks in to monitor. Also give blood prior to initiating any cycle and then again 8 weeks later.

    Perfect. Thank you Sir.

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