If I run a Deca Cycle with Test Do I need PCT/HCG?

[MrSigma]

If I run this cycle:

Testosterone Enanthate at 300 – 500mg/week
Deca -Durabolin at 400mg/week

Do I need PCT and HCG ? If so which PCT would be best and how much, and when should I start it?

[k1986]

If I run this cycle:

Testosterone Enanthate at 300 – 500mg/week
Deca -Durabolin at 400mg/week

Do I need PCT and HCG? If so which PCT would be best and how much, and when should I start it?

You always need to run PCT. Do your research before posting questions like this. And if its your first run, which it obviously is, don't run Deca. First cycle should be test only.

[MrSigma]

Okay what do you recommend for PCT? None of my questions were answered. I asked if I needed them both, not one or the other.

[redz]

You shouldn't be cycling at all if you have to ask if pct is needed. How old are you? Stats?

[chab]

Should you run PCT after one of the most suppressive compounds among AAS ?
U probably never heard of an AI or caber also ....
Get proper education on AAS and READ A LOT before u hurt yourself ...

[Capebuffalo]

Stats? Cycle experience if any?

[Capebuffalo]

22 yrs old. I hate to be the guy but your too young. Please wait.

[songdog]

Read the young and steroids thread bro.

[MrSigma]

There are plenty of people even younger than me that take gear and are completely healthy. All I wanted was the questions answered not advice if I should be taking or not. If you aren't going to answer the questions. DO NOT POST!

[Capebuffalo]

There are plenty of people even younger than me that take gear and are completely healthy. All I wanted was the questions answered not advice if I should be taking or not. If you aren't going to answer the questions. DO NOT POST!

Have you seen there blood work? Perfectly fine huh. Sometimes it doesn't show up till years down the road. Had to say that. You're not going to listen. Gods speed.

[PT1982]

No one is going to help you personally jyst because of your lack of effort in learning on your own and attitude. All if your questions are plainly answered in the stickied threads. If you'd take 2 minutes to look, every answer you could possibly have is answered in the educational threads.

[MrSigma]

But would a deca and test cycle really do that much damage?

[MrSigma]

Oh... I would have never thought that. Thanks for the best help.

[MrSigma]

No one is going to help you personally jyst because of your lack of effort in learning on your own and attitude. All if your questions are plainly answered in the stickied threads. If you'd take 2 minutes to look, every answer you could possibly have is answered in the educational threads.

Oh... I would have never thought that. Thanks for the best help.

[redz]

Deca is not a beginner steroid and is known to be very suppressive. It is worth doing research to protect yourself for the future. Deca is a whole different ballpark of possible side effects compared to Test. There really is so much to learn I researched a decade before touching any steroids .

[chab]

I bet you already made your mind about using steroid and it will be very difficult to convince you otherwise. If u wanna run a cycle at 22 years old, it is ur choice no one can stop you, but most people here won't take part of it. You have near to zero info about steroids or how to protect yourself while on cycle nor how to deal with side effects. Guys like u are the ones who give bad name to steroids.
I predict you will post a "sorry guys I was stupid" post very soon

[songdog]

But would a deca and test cycle really do that much damage?

YES you could really mess up your Endo systemleading to ED no libido depression for wat a lil muscle that you will lose anyway.

[Joco71]

Good advice has been given. You just don't realize it. Read and study before you inject things into your body that you know nothing about. Do yourself a huge favor stay on thus site and use it as learning tool.

[marcus300]

There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies

The Young and Steroids

[AR's King Silabolin]

There are plenty of people even younger than me that take gear and are completely healthy. All I wanted was the questions answered not advice if I should be taking or not. If you aren't going to answer the questions. DO NOT POST!

Wow.. attitude. ..mmm...i like that

[DocToxin8]

If I run this cycle:

Testosterone Enanthate at 300 – 500mg/week
Deca -Durabolin at 400mg/week

Do I need PCT and HCG? If so which PCT would be best and how much, and when should I start it?

Why wouldn't it be needed?

Please try to understand WHAT these compounds are used for instead of just wanting someone to give you the answer;
Use steroids X and Y, with compound Z, followed by a PCT of C & N.

If I were to tell you something like that,
You'd have no idea as to why you'd be doing it.

Since I know you'll be using anyways,
Here's a short list of some of the things you need to understand;

1) how does your HPTA react to any sex steroid (androgens, estrogens, progestins) you administer to your body?
- the pituitary and LH/FSH secretion changes & why?
- LH, testicle size and T production

2) what does HCG do in terms of affecting testicles and the pituitary?

3) what does SERMs do in the pituitary and how does that affect the HPTA?

By just reading the stickies you'll get an introductory to these topics.
When you've read them,
then you can come back and ask why nandrolone (Deca) should differ from testosterone in how it affects the HPTA and why it's tougher to recover from.

You don't need to be an expert, but learn the basics.

When you understand (at a basic level) how the body regulates its testosterone production, then you'll get a lot more out of any advice given.

[Jphunter]

Pct is the most important step . I always get that in order before I order any test . Health is key , without your health there is no point in diet an exercise IMO . No pct equals no cycle PERIOD . Especially running deca with all those compounds without PCT is a recipe for disaster .