Test and tren

I would like my next cycle to be test and tren. What is the recommended amounts for each through a 12 week cycle? This will be my 4th cycle. Had no problems with the 1st 3 other than when I ended with Sus I had a hard time recovering. Last cycle I did test E and ended with prop so pct went fine. I assume I will end tren before the test but how much before And when would pct start? If I end with prop again should I take it out to 14 weeks?
Was thinking this
1-10 test E 250 per wk5
11-12 prop 250 per week
Teen 200 per wk. not sure how many weeks and which week to start and finish tren.

Hey Guy :) I am about to start buying anabolic pills I worked out all my life but just cannot seem to bulk up.

What would you recommend for me to try?

I'm not going to ask stats and all of that. Knowing what ester you plan is important though. Tren ace or enanthate? In my opinion, tren e is good up to 12 weeks. Tren ace I wouldn't go over 8. I usually run tren for 6 weeks and use ace. For your first time using it, I would highly recommend the ace. Tren is often times over exaggerated in terms of side effects, but don't take the warnings lightly. I know many men who can't handle the sides. If you're using enanthate and start to experience bad sides, you're going to be stuck with those side effects for a couple of weeks of you decide to drop it. If you use ace and drop it, you'll be cleared of the sides in a couple of days. It's more of a first timer safety precaution. The sides from tren are no joke. A lot of people do over exaggerate them, but they can be really bad. Just my take and advice. As far as dose, 200-350mgs is plenty! Trust me on this one. I've ran it at doses that I'm ashamed to admit, and I've ran it as low as 37.5mgs every other day. I can tell you from years of experience that more is not always better. 350mgs will yield incredible results. Much more than that can have more risk to reward than its worth. Stick to 200-350mgs weekly. And lastly.....I always run my test at a testosterone replacement dose with tren. I don't want any performance enhancing from the test. I let the tren be the work horse of my cycle. I don't want the test fighting the tren for my androgen receptors. I think that's a big reason for some of the tren sides, but I could be wrong.

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Originally Posted by tino1savage

Hey Guy :) I am about to start buying anabolic pills I worked out all my life but just cannot seem to bulk up.

What would you recommend for me to try?

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I have tren ace. Was planning to pin 100mg twice per week. Along with 250mg test. If doing tren for 6 weeks, What week should I start and stop the tren? Id like to end with prop again so I'll need to take that in account when ending tren ace so everything clears out ruffky the same time so I can start pct, right. Or is tren A cleared out in a matter of a few days?

With tren a you need to pin preferably eod not twice a week. Twice a week will have your levels fluctuating too much.

Good to know. So tren A clears out quick then? So not a factor when calculating pct start time?
Anyone have a suggestion which week to start tren and when to stop. Should I do 6 or 8 weeks of tren? On weeks that I'm not on tren should I bump up test or does that not matter?

You do not need to increase test while on tren.

If you're going to run tren for 8 weeks start it at the beginning of the 5th week. You should be able to end both test and tren at the same time. It's not an issue for me as I just revert back to my TRT dose. Don't go over 8 weeks this first time. As PT said 6 weeks can be plenty with tren.

Best advice I can give on Tren...Have your acid reflux pills ready.

200-300 is considered an intermediate dose. If you are using UGL you most likely are only getting 100mg for every 300 you think you should be getting. Most underdosed item on the planet. We took 10 different vials from the more reputable UGLs of Tren E to a spectrograph and it completely blows the mind how much time people waste on a tren cycle that is no where near what they think.

If you can afford Tren buy the powders and make it yourself. There is a reason for so many people saying they shoot 100mg ED of the substance. I was so disheartened by all the "Tren dont like you" talk and I should give it up. It all came down to UGLs scamming people.

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Originally Posted by Chicagotarsier

Best advice I can give on Tren...Have your acid reflux pills ready.

200-300 is considered an intermediate dose. If you are using UGL you most likely are only getting 100mg for every 300 you think you should be getting. Most underdosed item on the planet. We took 10 different vials from the more reputable UGLs of Tren E to a spectrograph and it completely blows the mind how much time people waste on a tren cycle that is no where near what they think.

If you can afford Tren buy the powders and make it yourself. There is a reason for so many people saying they shoot 100mg ED of the substance. I was so disheartened by all the "Tren dont like you" talk and I should give it up. It all came down to UGLs scamming people.

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Damn, that's good to know and sucks all at the same time.

Op, take some time and read the "All You Need to Know About Tren" sticky thread at the top of this forum.

Don't take this the wrong way but I don't think your ready to take tren, because if you were you'd already have an idea of what dose to run and for how long. it just seems you've done very little if any research for yourself..

Well I agree. I'm not currently taking tren. What do you think I'm doing in this thread? I'm trying to get all my research done so when I use tren it is in a safe way and will be effective. Thats like saying you're not ready and not allowed to ask questions in order to get ready. I'm on this forum to learn. That's all I'm trying do do. Thanks for the sticky referral. I searched tren and for some reason didnt see it.

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Well I agree. I'm not currently taking tren. What do you think I'm doing in this thread? I'm trying to get all my research done so when I use tren it is in a safe way and will be effective. Thats like saying you're not ready and not allowed to ask questions in order to get ready. I'm on this forum to learn. That's all I'm trying do do. Thanks for the sticky referral. I searched tren and for some reason didnt see it.

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What i mean is if you just looked at tren cycles and lengths etc you would have come here saying for example, Hi I want to take tren for my next cycle and I've decided to do 300mg tren ace for 8 weeks and test at 250mg for 10 weeks. I'll be doing tren ace at 75mg eod because of the short half life and taking arimidex at 0.25 eod to combat Estrogen and prolactin and have a dopamine agonist on hand incase prolactin gets out of hand. What's your thoughts? This would have been a good indication that'd you've looked into tren and how to use it.

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Originally Posted by T-boner

Well I agree. I'm not currently taking tren. What do you think I'm doing in this thread? I'm trying to get all my research done so when I use tren it is in a safe way and will be effective. Thats like saying you're not ready and not allowed to ask questions in order to get ready. I'm on this forum to learn. That's all I'm trying do do. Thanks for the sticky referral. I searched tren and for some reason didnt see it.

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Please don't think I'm having a go I'm just trying to highlight the point that if you just Google tren you can quickly get a basic level of knowledge come here with your ideas for future cycles and we'll give our opinions and suggestions.

This will be your third cycle in a year.

That's basically a cruise.

I'm curious what are your stats?

3 cycles in a year no wonder there was recovery issues.

I never mentioned the time frame for my previous cycles are you asking if I did 3 cycles in a year or for some reason telling me I did?
My 1st cycle started Dec 2015 for 10 weeks.
2nd cycle was end of may 2016 for 12 weeks
3rd cycle was middle jan 2017 for 10 weeks.
Time on equals time off plus pct right?
I have not started a 4th and won't until 14 weeks after my last pin of prop. Maybe longer cause I feel pretty good right now and I've gained some of the loss back that I lost after the cycle.

There was no question mark after my sentence which would make it a statement.

From May 2016 to April 2017 is less than a year.

Look buddy I'm not trying to give you an attitude or start an argument.

I'm literally just offering impartial advice.

If my original assumption was incorrect then I apologize.

Again, what are your stats?

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Originally Posted by MuscleScience

Damn, that's good to know and sucks all at the same time.

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It's absolutely true. That's the reason I started to homebrew. After running blast after blast of tren at 100mgs eod, I never experienced any sides that weren't manageable. Then I went to 100mgs ED. A little worse, but still doable. I ran some tests and from 5 different ugls, only 1 was dosed close to advertised. It came in >90mgs/ml. I don't know how the testing is done, but it is what it is. The other 4 were <50mgs/ml.
Once I started homebrewing, I jumped right back on the 100mgs ED and within 5 days I could barely stand to be around anyone. I'm talking wearing a t shirt outside in 35 degree weather at Christmas and pouring sweat. I dropped all the way down to 50mgs ED and found that was the sweet spot. I do think ED administration will help with the sides a little. But the underdosing stuff, unfortunately, is a part of the risk we take.

5'10"
180 lbs
42 years old
13-14% body fat
Lift 5-6 days per week.
2800-3200 calories depending if protein is from chicken or beef.

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Originally Posted by T-boner

5'10"
180 lbs
42 years old
13-14% body fat
Lift 5-6 days per week.
2800-3200 calories depending if protein is from chicken or beef.

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With respect you don't need tren at this point you need to learn how to eat for growth.

Considering your stats and your previous cycles you should be over 200lb.

No offense but someone who's 5'10" should be able to get to 180lb before their first cycle.

I started at 145 lbs. Putting on weight has been a struggle my whole life. I thought I was doing good. Dodnt realize my gains aren't very good. I feel great though. Putting on that 30 to 35 pounds has helped me a lot in the way I feel and my confidence.

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I started at 145 lbs. Putting on weight has been a struggle my whole life. I thought I was doing good. Dodnt realize my gains aren't very good. I feel great though. Putting on that 30 to 35 pounds has helped me a lot in the way I feel and my confidence.

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I'm not that saying your gains are bad, you've come a long way.

Cycling isn't healthy so it's kind of a waste of your health to use AS of your diet isn't on point to meet your goals.

You can use any compound stack or dosage you want but they won't make up for large deficiencies in diet\training.

I put my diet together using information from the diet section on this site. It consists of six meals per day roughly 500 calories each meal. I tried to stay around 40 - 45 grams protein and 45 grams carbs and less than eight grams of fat each meal. My meals are measured out daily. Do I need to be eating more?

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I put my diet together using information from the diet section on this site. It consists of six meals per day roughly 500 calories each meal. I tried to stay around 40 - 45 grams protein and 45 grams carbs and less than eight grams of fat each meal. My meals are measured out daily. Do I need to be eating more?

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That seems sufficient, That's roughly 3000kcals. It takes about 3500 kcals to build one pound of muscle. I might of missed it above but are you bulking, cutting or maintenance?

Trying to lean bulk but sometimes I feel like I'm just maintaining. Its hard to stay under 8g fat per meal but I can hit the protein and carb goal for each meal.