I've read anywhere from 12.5 EOD to 25 ED. That's quite the range....was wondering what some of you guys who have done similar cycles would start with.
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I've read anywhere from 12.5 EOD to 25 ED. That's quite the range....was wondering what some of you guys who have done similar cycles would start with.
12.5 eod should be OK although you may find that you'll need to go 25mg eod
Imo if you're going to use that much test and EQ then you should use arimidex.
Aromasin may not be enough to control e2 because it only stops a percentage of conversation.
IMHO...
aromasin needs to be run ED due to its short half-life
I have scripted adex....was thinking of aromasin for cholesterol purposes. How much adex would you recommend?Quote:
Originally Posted by numbere
If every day, what dosage would your recommend for my potential cycle?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog
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Single 25mg dose in 10 young men.
It depends on your previous cycles and blood work.Quote:
Originally Posted by petemitchell30
You'll basically be taking 1g of test a week.
In my past experience .25mg ed or .5mg eod of adex controlled my E2 when I was at 700-800mg of test per week. BW will accurately answer that question for you.
Seconded.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog
Please note that these men weren't taking steroids.Quote:
Originally Posted by MToption2
Please note that the estrogen starts to rise after half a day.
So guys I am going to frontload, so will get bloods around week 3. I'm more or less looking for a starting point.
12.5 daily is a starting point, but why front load? I'm seeing a lot of people talking about front loading lately and I do have concern in this increase of interest.Quote:
Originally Posted by petemitchell30
I think you'd see better results from an oral versus front loading.Quote:
Originally Posted by petemitchell30
Getting blood work at week 3 is a waste of money because none of your hormones will have peaked.
The thing with aromasin is that 25mg\d is going to stop roughly the same amount of conversation as 50mg\d.
If you get in a situation where 12.5mg\d or 25mg\d isn't enough to keep e2 within range then you have no choice but to switch to arimidex.
If you have a prescription for arimidex then you should take advantage of the situation and have it filled.
Yes. I agree ED is the way to go. Some people dose twice a day but with the data available, that is unnecessary.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog
frontload bc I can only run for 12 weeks and long ester, so don't want to wait for maximum amount to get into my system. Also, I am using orals, 40mg var ED, but didn't put that bc irrelevant to the question I am asking about aromasin dosing.
So general consensus for amount of aromatizing AAS I'm taking is 12.5 aromasin daily?
If E2 bottom's out at that dose, how long of backing it off to EOD until my e2 bounces back?
Like Numbere stated I don't think aromasin will work nearly as well as dex - and if it were me I'd use 25mg/d to start but I'd honestly just go with arimidex...
Like stated not much different than running 25mg/d to 50mg/d with aromasin
I'm in agreement w/Numbere!
What AI have you always used?
I thought that aromasin and adex both lowered e2 equally but adex reaches peak levels in an hour where as aromasin takes about a week.
It would be the other way around.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus G
Aromasin has a much shorter half-life.
That doesn't make sense it's because of the short half life it can't reach peak levels as quick as adex. Aromasin does NOT lower existing E2. It starts preventing your body's conversion in test to E2.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog
Your understanding of half lives is flawed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus G
Long half-lives lead to overlap and thus take longer to reach peak serum levels.
Test C has a longer half life than test Prop.
Therefore, test C takes longer to reach peak levels than test Prop.
Therefore, test C is taken less frequently than test Prop.
We are not comparing test esters we are talking about AI's and aromasin only lowers e2 by 35% so it takes longer for it to reach peak levels where as arimidex lowers e2 by 70% after an single dose of 1mg. Adex may be have a long half like but it reaches its peak much quicker than aromasin.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog
NACH I have scripted adex. I usually took .25 MWF on 275ish test per week which placed my E2 between 20-30 (i felt like shit, bad sexual side effects, actually these past 2 weeks I stopped taking any adex and felt way better--side effects gone, no bloat, no itchy nips etc..but thats another conversation entirely).Quote:
Originally Posted by NACH3
Anyway, I want to switch to aromasin for this cycle to mitigate damage done with regards to my cholesterol. However, I have zero experience with aromasin, thus the thread soliciting advice.
25mg eod would be a good starting point but it's going to be harder to control e2 than it would be to use adex.Quote:
Originally Posted by petemitchell30
IMHO- 12.5mg ED
due to it's short half life Aromasin should be run ED
Wrong. Look at the data again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus G
It lowers e1 by 70% which doesn't make a difference as it's a weak Estrogen. instead of saying I'm wrong why don't you explain why?Quote:
Originally Posted by MToption2
Agreed!!Quote:
Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog
aromasin should definitely be ran ed period due to its half life! Plus the reason one can use dex EOD is because it's half life is roughly 36hrs(that's not exact but I'll get back to the thread if necessary)...
I see... you can try .25-.5mgs every 3rd day with the dex... I don't know why your having those problems(have you ever had these prior)? .25mgs on 275mgs of test landed your E2 where it was?! Interesting... is it pharma grade dex?Quote:
Originally Posted by petemitchell30
If you go with aromasin I'd say start with 12.5mgs/d(everyday) and grab a sensitive E2 assay to see where your at / if E2 is high than go to 25mgs/day that's about the only two options I can see right now...
And aromasin should be ran everyday not EOD due to DLD post! He's in the money!
12.5ED it is! hahaha, I appreciate it fellas.Quote:
Originally Posted by NACH3
NACH, The TRT probs were odd, they really didn't start until I took my test levels from 900 to 1400-1500ish. My e2 stays between between 20-30 when I run adex .25 2X a week with test at 900, 3X a week at 1400ish. Although it was technically "in range" I had bad sexual side effects. When I just stopped taking adex, about a week later, things got better. I didn't get my e2 measured but it had to have been higher. Curious situation
Where did you see e1? I see that percentage lowering estradiol...e2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus G
Here you goQuote:
Originally Posted by MToption2
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exemestane
Scroll down to mechanism of action "The estrogen suppression rate for exemestane varies from 35% for estradiol (E2) to 70% for estrone (E1).[10]'.
Yeah you're right. I mixed the studies up with women.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus G
Anastrozole lowers E2 50% in men at 1mg ED:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10902781
No worries it's an easy mistake to make.Quote:
Originally Posted by MToption2
That is interesting - I'd imagine also it'd be higher than it was ...Quote:
Originally Posted by petemitchell30
Just remember you can double that aromasin dose if BW warrants it - just split into 2x every 12hrs taken with a meal or a serving of fat(PB is easy) ;)