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I have had so many conflicting stories and supposed accounts that
Deca-Durabolin is just for joint relief ie. for therapeutic purposes , but I have also heard and read the Deca-Durabolin is a great mass producer and strength gains. Will somebody please help clarify this for me please bruh!
Both are correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by antrb1
I second that.
Deca is the best compound to put on mass both for is power but also for its lower risk of side effects. The joint healing properties makes it easier to push training a little hard. Anyeine that tells you any different is probably someone that does winny only and maybe takes EQ and thinks it's awesome shit, that and they probably wear skinny jeans and have perfectly manicured hands.
Muscle Science you are my man thanks for the info and the laugh bruh!! Good looking out!!Quote:
Originally Posted by MuscleScience
RP Good Looking OUT Bruh!!Quote:
Originally Posted by RigPig
Absolutely, stick around ask questions and get motivated. If your diet and training are dialed in. A simple Test E and Deca cycle will put you in the man among men catagory.Quote:
Originally Posted by antrb1
As said above its capable of achieving both. some guys add it into a stack at low dose 100mg per week just for the joint benefitsQuote:
Originally Posted by antrb1
Truth. Dad low dose about 100mg\wk for almost 5months and it was short of amazing compared to how it feels when I came off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus G
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So would 280mg T per week be enough to stack Deca with? How much?
500mg test with 400mg Deca is the norm, but if you are new to gear, ditch the deca and use test only.Quote:
Originally Posted by bowhunter1775
Is that your cruise dose?Quote:
Originally Posted by bowhunter1775
I alway run my 19-nors higher than test for example test e 250mg per week and npp 400mg per week or if it's deconate ester 500mg per weekQuote:
Originally Posted by bowhunter1775
Been on 240 of T per week from HRT clinic for about a year now. Bumped it up to 280 last week. I don't have the option of self dosing the T but I do on the Deca. Yes? No? Bottle expires 6/2017.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Small
That's not TRT anymore, where are your levels at? Hematocrit? What do you want to use deca for? Don't bother about expiry dates, their bogus.Quote:
Originally Posted by bowhunter1775
I will have to ask specifically about Hematocrit. The print out he shows me of my bloodwork only shows 503.38 ng/dL and ref. range 348.00-1197.00.as of 4/14/17. He has written on it"10.01".(free?)T at 14,
on 2/03/17 printout shows E2 39 pg/ml and SHBC at 46.1 nmol/L
A lot of the medical lingo he tells me is over my head. THAT is one reason I am here also, I need to learn! They are wellness and not enhancement focused. I asked about adding something to the T and he volunteered HGC. I didn't pose the deca question. I'd like to add size and strength. I'm in the military so DRASTIC gains might raise suspicions. I'm 51, 6' and 190 now. I'd just like to kick it up a notch. I have the deca now and I'm trying to educate myself as to whether I should use it now or wait. I will deploy this time next year so the is a "window" of opportunity now.
I run deca with 150mgs of test. As long as your test dose keeps you in range, it's not like the deca will hinder it or make it lower. I've ran a gram a week with my trt dose and it never effected sex drive whatsoever. The goal is to keep your test in range. Deca dick is mostly impart due to the old school guys not using test.Quote:
Originally Posted by bowhunter1775
Well I'm so new to this that I'm not even sure what a "cruise dose" is. I assume that it is an all of the time dose. 280 weekly is what I am getting now from a mens clinic.Quote:
Originally Posted by bizzarro
equal amounts of deca to Test or higher? Sorry for the hijackQuote:
Originally Posted by PT1982
Muscle Science I appreciate the motivation and advice. I hope you don't mind me hitting you up eith questions when needed...Quote:
Originally Posted by MuscleScience
So I have learned types of Deca or I forget the actual chemical name (Nanodrolone maybe?) but it comes in two forms so to speak NPP and Deconate. Can ya'll please help clarify the differences and to which form is better. Thanks Bruh
the ester that it held in. Npp is faster acting then decanate.Quote:
Originally Posted by antrb1
So Which is better in your opinion?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bio-Active
No need it equal or higher. As long as the test dose keeps you in range, take deca at whatever dose you choose. Most men take 100-200mgs of test weekly to stay in range, but some need more. Bloodwork is the only way to know. Anyways, taking deca isn't going to lower your test dose. I prefer to stay at trt doses and run my primary anabolic at higher doses to let it be the workhorse of my blast.Quote:
Originally Posted by bowhunter1775
Neither is better because they're the exact same hormone. NPP is the shorter ester, so it brings on results quicker and allows you to run shorter cycles. NPP it's by far my favorite of all anabolic steroids. Its about all I use anymore. My opinion is that deca needs ran for 16 weeks+, while NPP cab be ran down to 8 weeks. Less time on leads to a faster recovery, in theory.Quote:
Originally Posted by antrb1
just depends on your goal and how fast you want it out of your system. I like bothQuote:
Originally Posted by antrb1
If a man is already on IGF-1, would you worry about adding NPP (...muscle-gut (lol))?
Deca is great with test, muscle looker harder , more defined and I got stronger except one big draw back, deca dick, look it up, you can risk that then go for it, did it for a month with npp and stopped and I'm still it sure if I have recovered yet, currently on just test alone
Sure thing man, anytimeQuote:
Originally Posted by antrb1
Plus Deca binds so much harder to the Androgen receptor in the muscles. Running anything higher than HRT dosage of test is a waste in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by PT1982
If you're on 280mg/wk of T, you're running a dose cycle. I've run Deca a high as 800mg/wk. For 280mg/wk of Test, I would think 400mg/wk of Deca would be good.Quote:
Originally Posted by bowhunter1775
OP there are some sexual side effects that "can" occur with deca. Regardless of test dose. For example when I ran deca it worked great for me. Except I got anorgasmia from it. Which can be a pain when your in a relationship. If you use npp it will clear your system much faster. But the draw back to npp is you will have to inject it more frequently. So basically we can't tell you what to take. You have to wiegh out the options for your personal goals.
How often do you pin NPP and Deca?
I couldn't agree more! I feel there is no need in having 2 compound fighting for the same receptors. Perfectly stated MuscleScience!Quote:
Originally Posted by MuscleScience
You actually can pin NPP 2x weekly and have stable levels. This is actually the way Dr's prescribe it for the most part. Just because it has the word propionate, a lot of people assume it needs eod dosing. While it's the best method in my opinion, the phenylpropionate is still a fairly long ester. But then you have to deal with oil volume per injection, which can be a pain for some. Doing 2x weekly injections will be a bit slower that eod, but still manageable. And don't take that as me arguing because you're not wrong at all. I'm just giving another point of view on the subject. EOD injections are by far the best protocol.Quote:
Originally Posted by michael30