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    Tren and TRT question

    Does Test [ugl] at 300-400mg/week (Like, an actual stable blood concentration anywhere from 1500ng-3000ng) keep most of tren gains?

    I plan on cutting first and then dirty bulking with Tren. Wondering if high trt [ugl] will keep most of tren cycle gains. If not then I'll pass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MToption2 View Post
    Does Test at 300-400mg/week keep most of tren gains?

    I plan on cutting first and then dirty bulking with Tren. Wondering if high trt will keep most of tren cycle gains. If not then I'll pass.
    300-400mg/week is not even close to TRT.
    At 50yrs old you really shouldn't be cruising that high IMHO.
    I cruise at 80-100mg/week of test C and keep most of my gains.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog View Post
    300-400mg/week is not even close to TRT.
    At 50yrs old you really shouldn't be cruising that high IMHO.
    I cruise at 80-100mg/week of test C and keep most of my gains.
    I need to change my age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MToption2 View Post
    I need to change my age.
    250mg ugl would be more then fine I know guys at 240ibs that's maintain at 250mg per week.
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    I'm on TRT and have been running cycles for a little over 2.5 yrs now. In between cycles I just stick with my normal TRT dose of 200mg/week. I also run that dose throughout my cycle as well. For me, low dosing AAS with my regular TRT dose has given me GREAT results. When I'm off cycle I put on about 5 pounds of water weight and that's it, no decrease in strength and physique stays on point.

    Everyone responds differently to chemicals in their body so my best advice is to figure out what works for you and stick with it, the "less is more" mindset has worked out great for me. Most people on this forum would say the Tren A dose I was running would be a waste of time but it worked wonders for me!!
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    You need bloodwork before you make any decisions like this. I run test at 150mgs weekly and it keeps me in range. You never want to cruise at ridiculous doses just to maintain cycle results. That's a dangerous game to be playing with your health. Any of us who care are going to tell you that health comes first because it does. This site is more about harm reduction than it is to encourage dangerous hormone protocols. Your cruise dose should only keep you in range. If you're in range, you're going to maintain you're results easier and that should be considered second to your health.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PT1982 View Post
    You need bloodwork before you make any decisions like this. I run test at 150mgs weekly and it keeps me in range. You never want to cruise at ridiculous doses just to maintain cycle results. That's a dangerous game to be playing with your health. Any of us who care are going to tell you that health comes first because it does. This site is more about harm reduction than it is to encourage dangerous hormone protocols. Your cruise dose should only keep you in range. If you're in range, you're going to maintain you're results easier and that should be considered second to your health.
    Natty Test was 476ng a couple years ago. Perfect BW conditions. Early morning, well rested, ate and trained normal.

    I'm 25 now. So even with a full recovery from my current Test cycle, I'm looking at even lower than that. But let's take the best case and I manage to bounce back to 476ng. I doubt that can keep my cycle gains. That's why I'm interested in maintaining a higher blood level through trt/hcg . Would having a blood level of let's say 1500-2000 pose any health risks? I suspect not, but I could be wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MToption2 View Post
    Natty Test was 476ng a couple years ago. Perfect BW conditions. Early morning, well rested, ate and trained normal.

    I'm 25 now. So even with a full recovery from my current Test cycle, I'm looking at even lower than that. But let's take the best case and I manage to bounce back to 476ng. I doubt that can keep my cycle gains. That's why I'm interested in maintaining a higher blood level through trt/hcg. Would having a blood level of let's say 1500-2000 pose any health risks? I suspect not, but I could be wrong.
    Well that's depends, you'd have to get blood work done because shgb could get elevated which is caused a fair few problems of its own and hcg still suppresses natural LH
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcus G View Post
    Well that's depends, you'd have to get blood work done because shgb could get elevated which is caused a fair few problems of its own and hcg still suppresses natural LH
    Yeah. Doesn't shbg lower in some trt patients?

    Aromasin alone almost doubled my free t. I assume this is because of my lowered shbg. I'm on 12.5mg/d now.
    Do you think proviron really lowers shbg? I'm on this as well at 50mg/d. Haven't gotten midcycle bw done yet.

    I mean hcg is better than nothing. It's the closest thing we got to mimic lh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MToption2 View Post
    Yeah. Doesn't shbg lower in some trt patients?

    Aromasin alone almost doubled my free t. I assume this is because of my lowered shbg. I'm on 12.5mg/d now.
    Do you think proviron really lowers shbg? I'm on this as well at 50mg/d. Haven't gotten midcycle bw done yet.

    I mean hcg is better than nothing. It's the closest thing we got to mimic lh.
    In my experience you don't have to worry about SHBG unless you use 17aa orals.

    Mine was elevated, went for 5mg winstrol / die and crushed it to <10 nmol/l, that hugely increased Test excretion/metabolism so that 100mg weekly will only put me at 400 ng/dl.

    I'd be happier with lower range SHBG (15-19), levels would get much more stable but again I don't see 200-250mg of Test weekly affecting SHBG that much as orals.

    Proviron should be mild on liver also (that's where SHBG is made).

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    Quote Originally Posted by MToption2 View Post
    Natty Test was 476ng a couple years ago. Perfect BW conditions. Early morning, well rested, ate and trained normal.

    I'm 25 now. So even with a full recovery from my current Test cycle, I'm looking at even lower than that. But let's take the best case and I manage to bounce back to 476ng. I doubt that can keep my cycle gains. That's why I'm interested in maintaining a higher blood level through trt/hcg. Would having a blood level of let's say 1500-2000 pose any health risks? I suspect not, but I could be wrong.
    Yes. It could very well pose health risks. At that high, you're talking a need for an AI all the time, which can be hazardous in of itself. You don't need to be at 1500-2000 because that's not normal for any age. It's all about aiming to be normal. At 150mgs weekly, I'm at close to 700. 658 to be exact from last month. I don't need to run an AI, which is important to me. My estrogen stays slightly elevated and I prefer it that way. It's not high per se, but elevated. I'm a better person for it. If you are in range, you're going to maintain cycle progress much easier than in low. If you're at 1500-2000ng/dl all the time, you're asking for a host of issues and bloodwork bi monthly will be a necessity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PT1982 View Post
    Yes. It could very well pose health risks. At that high, you're talking a need for an AI all the time, which can be hazardous in of itself. You don't need to be at 1500-2000 because that's not normal for any age. It's all about aiming to be normal. At 150mgs weekly, I'm at close to 700. 658 to be exact from last month. I don't need to run an AI, which is important to me. My estrogen stays slightly elevated and I prefer it that way. It's not high per se, but elevated. I'm a better person for it. If you are in range, you're going to maintain cycle progress much easier than in low. If you're at 1500-2000ng/dl all the time, you're asking for a host of issues and bloodwork bi monthly will be a necessity.
    For you, going over 700 requires an AI? So you'd rather prefer mid-range levels over an upper end range if it meant an AI addition? I can understand the potential issues with lipids.

    I think after ~1200 is when it'd be flagged unnaturally high.

    I'll see where I'm at with comprehensive BW in a few weeks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sh0tsf1red View Post
    I'm on TRT and have been running cycles for a little over 2.5 yrs now. In between cycles I just stick with my normal TRT dose of 200mg/week. I also run that dose throughout my cycle as well. For me, low dosing AAS with my regular TRT dose has given me GREAT results. When I'm off cycle I put on about 5 pounds of water weight and that's it, no decrease in strength and physique stays on point.

    Everyone responds differently to chemicals in their body so my best advice is to figure out what works for you and stick with it, the "less is more" mindset has worked out great for me. Most people on this forum would say the Tren A dose I was running would be a waste of time but it worked wonders for me!!
    I heard this too on other forums. People experimenting with low dose Tren experience steady gains and minimum side effects. Did you ever have a problem with prolactin or anything else low dosing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sh0tsf1red View Post
    Most people on this forum would say the Tren A dose I was running would be a waste of time but it worked wonders for me!!
    I would not say that at all. Low dose Tren -A can produce great results. I'll occassionally run it at just over 100mgs per week and love the results. Only issue is lipids, it crushes HDL so keep an eye on it.

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    Well that's depends, you'd have to get blood work done because shgb could get elevated which is caused a fair few problems of its own and hcg still suppresses natural LH
    Quickest way to reduce shbg is to add test.


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    I heard this too on other forums. People experimenting with low dose Tren experience steady gains and minimum side effects. Did you ever have a problem with prolactin or anything else low dosing?
    Low dose Tren, amazingly, has been studied as a form of TRT. I've not had problems with Tren at a low dose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sh0tsf1red View Post
    I'm on TRT and have been running cycles for a little over 2.5 yrs now. In between cycles I just stick with my normal TRT dose of 200mg/week. I also run that dose throughout my cycle as well. For me, low dosing AAS with my regular TRT dose has given me GREAT results. When I'm off cycle I put on about 5 pounds of water weight and that's it, no decrease in strength and physique stays on point.

    Everyone responds differently to chemicals in their body so my best advice is to figure out what works for you and stick with it, the "less is more" mindset has worked out great for me. Most people on this forum would say the Tren A dose I was running would be a waste of time but it worked wonders for me!!
    How much Tren A?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    I would not say that at all. Low dose Tren -A can produce great results. I'll occassionally run it at just over 100mgs per week and love the results. Only issue is lipids, it crushes HDL so keep an eye on it.



    Quickest way to reduce shbg is to add test.




    Low dose Tren, amazingly, has been studied as a form of TRT. I've not had problems with Tren at a low dose.

    Biz is on point, as usual.
    What's the dosage difference between A and E. I'm assuming you're talking about A right? Would 12 weeks 100mg of Tren E be good?

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    I don't run E, ever. Only A.
    I'm sure 12 is fine, assuming BW is monitored.
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