First tren a run. Length. Dosage. Should you taper up?

For someone who is going to do a 1st time tren ace Cycle...along with 250mg test p pw.
Caber .5mg 2x/week and adex .5 EOD

How long would you advise the Cycle to last?
Is 10 weeks okay?

I know 1cc EOD is standard protocol (350mg/week) but would you advise tapering up the dose from 250mg for 2 weeks, then try 300mg for 2 weeks, then try 350mg?

Or would you just start at 350mg/week?
Is this a good low to no sides dose?

Everyone says tren is the best, but sides can be nasty.

Already shredded when I start the Cycle

What happened to your 17 week cycle with EQ?

Do not taper 6 to 8 weeks with ace is good.

Thought about EQ but was worried about retaining water on it. For competition I know tren is the king of contest prep drugs. EQ next time. Worried about EQ and rbcs too

Why against the taper?

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Originally Posted by Swolberham_Lincoln

Thought about EQ but was worried about retaining water on it. For competition I know tren is the king of contest prep drugs. EQ next time. Worried about EQ and rbcs too

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Tren will dramatically increase your hematomcrit as well.

First time tren A run you do not need 350 mg's per week. Where is that the "standard" protocol?

My next cycle to help me get to 7%

Test prop 150mg pw on top of my TRT so approx 250mg pw

Tren ace 150mg pw

Maybe some var too.

Sometimes less is more. If you are already 'shredded' just go with 150mg pw, generally great results and no/limited side effects.

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Originally Posted by kelkel

First time tren A run you do not need 350 mg's per week. Where is that the "standard" protocol?

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Dylan gemelli says 350mg (not to go above 400) for 8-10 weeks, on this site it says 175-350. Seth feroce says 300 for 6-8 weeks. On forums I see guys advise 350mg for a first time, but run much more themselves.

What do you think?

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Originally Posted by Swolberham_Lincoln

Dylan gemelli says 350mg (not to go above 400) for 8-10 weeks, on this site it says 175-350. Seth feroce says 300 for 6-8 weeks. On forums I see guys advise 350mg for a first time, but run much more themselves.

What do you think?

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Sounds like you already have the answers you're looking for so why ask? Everyone is telling you it's too high and you're just like "yeah, but..."

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Originally Posted by Swolberham_Lincoln

Dylan gemelli says 350mg (not to go above 400) for 8-10 weeks, on this site it says 175-350. Seth feroce says 300 for 6-8 weeks. On forums I see guys advise 350mg for a first time, but run much more themselves.

What do you think?

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Dylan Gemelli... really?!?! lol he's as stupid as they come you see the growth on his shoulder about a few months back? Not someone I'd take advice from anyway! You can make great gains as BIB said with 150-200max first time - grow into your cycles

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Originally Posted by Swolberham_Lincoln

Thought about EQ but was worried about retaining water on it. For competition I know tren is the king of contest prep drugs. EQ next time. Worried about EQ and rbcs too

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EQ won't put nearly the muscle tissue your looking for like nandrolone or Tren - just sayin'

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Originally Posted by Swolberham_Lincoln

Dylan gemelli says 350mg (not to go above 400) for 8-10 weeks, on this site it says 175-350. Seth feroce says 300 for 6-8 weeks. On forums I see guys advise 350mg for a first time, but run much more themselves.

What do you think?

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I think if you stick with 2-300mg/week you will be happy with the results. Since Tren binds so strongly to the androgen Receptor. It exerts its effect for longer than other compounds. Thus you physically need less to do the same work.

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Originally Posted by Swolberham_Lincoln

Why against the taper?

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That's old school bro guys quit doing that long ago! The smart one's

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Originally Posted by NACH3

Dylan Gemelli... really?!?! lol he's as stupid as they come you see the growth on his shoulder about a few months back? Not someone I'd take advice from anyway! You can make great gains as BIB said with 150-200max first time - grow into your cycles

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Dylan is a joke..... srsly if thats where you are getting advice find a new place

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Originally Posted by Swolberham_Lincoln

Dylan gemelli says 350mg (not to go above 400) for 8-10 weeks, on this site it says 175-350. Seth feroce says 300 for 6-8 weeks. On forums I see guys advise 350mg for a first time, but run much more themselves.

What do you think?

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Gemelli is a little dweeb who makes money off the internet so take his advice with a grain of salt. Just look at him for gods sake. He has very little practical experience. And if by chance he is experienced then he sucks at his chosen sport.

For a first run I would not go over about 200 mgs. It's just not necessary considering how potent it is. If not prepping for a contest then there's really no reason to run an elevated dose, imho. I'll often run it at a little over 100 mgs pw with my TRT and make great gains.

ease into tren for first run.

You have the best advise in this thread.

Tren is not like any other, the sides are something to get used to.

This thread turned into hating on gemelli...lol

Okay so im thinking 200-300mg of tren ace for a first run, with 200mg test E.

Is Caber at .25mg e3d sufficient for tren at 300mg/week? Or would you go .5mg e3d?

I know Caber is hotly debated if anyone needs it or not. I figure it's probably safer to run it just in case your estrogen is high. (Should get bloods to dial in e2)

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Originally Posted by Swolberham_Lincoln

This thread turned into hating on gemelli...lol

Okay so im thinking 200-300mg of tren ace for a first run, with 200mg test E.

Is Caber at .25mg e3d sufficient for tren at 300mg/week? Or would you go .5mg e3d?

I know Caber is hotly debated if anyone needs it or not. I figure it's probably safer to run it just in case your estrogen is high. (Should get bloods to dial in e2)

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It should be plenty.

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Originally Posted by Swolberham_Lincoln

Okay so im thinking 200-300mg of tren ace for a first run, with 200mg test E.

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Think 200.

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Originally Posted by Swolberham_Lincoln

This thread turned into hating on gemelli...lol

Okay so im thinking 200-300mg of tren ace for a first run, with 200mg test E.

Is Caber at .25mg e3d sufficient for tren at 300mg/week? Or would you go .5mg e3d?

I know Caber is hotly debated if anyone needs it or not. I figure it's probably safer to run it just in case your estrogen is high. (Should get bloods to dial in e2)

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Have Caber on hand for sure. I have probably done 10-15 19-nor cycles and never needed it until this last one. My prolactin went through the roof and I was miserable for weeks and weeks until I ordered it and got delivered. It's cheap insurance to have on hand.

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Originally Posted by kelkel

Gemelli is a little dweeb who makes money off the internet so take his advice with a grain of salt. Just look at him for gods sake. He has very little practical experience. And if by chance he is experienced then he sucks at his chosen sport.

For a first run I would not go over about 200 mgs. It's just not necessary considering how potent it is. If not prepping for a contest then there's really no reason to run an elevated dose, imho. I'll often run it at a little over 100 mgs pw with my TRT and make great gains.

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But this is for competition prep. What dose for that?

How about 100mg prop eod (8 weeks) and 50mg tren a eod (6 weeks) anavar (6 weeks) with 12.5mg aromaisn eod and 0.25mg caber e3d.. wait a week and start with pct. nolva (20/20/20) clomid (25/25/25) and maybe aromasin 12.5mg eod