A Bit About Tren

[Chicagotarsier]

Not a question or answer but a comment.

What I notice about tren that impact sides.

I believe Estrogen should be as low as you can go without bottoming out so Aromasin when Bulking. Adex is a powerful force but a different type of AI. For low dose test I see the best results with Aromasin.

ED injections should be the norm. I notice the difference in 150 EOD and 75 ED even when using Tren E lessen the sides you cannot escape (cardio hit) Keep your level in body a close to constant as possible. This is why most people see sides flare worst during the first few weeks. Climbing the ladder up is hard.

Respect the sweat. If you are not sweating it can indicate your body "wants" carbs. Why does it want carbs? I believe that most steroids do not exist in the same zipcode as Tren. Tren wants energy to use for building muscle and obliterating fat. This requires energy. Cutting or Bulking must respect daily needs of carbs or you are wasting the substances second most powerful trait.

Carb cycling on Tren. I know I am not a professional body builder and I never will be. I know I am not a nutritionist and never will be. I am smart enough to know that you either cut or bulk. Anything else is someone learning a lesson that they are not as smart as they think they are. As a regular Joe lifting weights on AAS trying to carb cycle while under genetic potential....waste of time. You will get results and you will say wow this is incredible....but you leave the cycle with 2-3 lbs of muscle you could of had. Dumb in my book. I will give an example just ran between to lifters on Tren 500/wk at a very reputable gym here in HK. I babysat the workouts and their nutrition. Lifter A did a full bulk with full meals 7 days a week. Lifter B did a full bulk with carb cycling 3 days a week. Each lifter did hypertrophy to exhaustion exercises for their workouts 4 days a week. Neither lifter did legs to avoid possible injuries due to squat racks do not exist in the gym and the lifters refused to participate on Smith Machine or Leg Press with the injury possibility. The numbers from bodyfat % at the end had each lifter losing the exact same amount of fat (Both started approx 20 percent). Lifter A gained 35% more LBM than Lifter B. 35% is too insane to ignore. EAT when BULKING when under genetic potential.

I can only say a few things about aggression. First, only happens on days I do not lift. Second, lack of carbs magnifies the side for me. Third, if tren dose fluctuates due to missing a pin it either severely triggers aggression or (I am a Tramadol user) it magnifies the peaceful feelings from the Tramadol and I m the nicest person ever.

Now for the parts that no one talks about. The parts that impact my life and lovedones the most.

********** LETHARGY*********
Tren makes you want to sleep. Bro science all you want to as why but it turns me into sleep every second I can. It is not that I am super tired especially on second in a row rest day. It is Tren impacts you mentally in this way. Which leads to the second item...

**********Think response and attention deficit**********
Tren makes you dumb (And makes you want to kill people that remind you you are dumb) You cannot think on subjects completely because you go from a thought into a floating mindlessness and then when you snap out of it you are like..wth that never happened before. It is real and it is Tren. Yo notice it the most after a workout and you are sitting eating your glucose recharge food stuffs. Zombie. I am sure it has been said before but it is really noticeable even on a 50ml/wk dose in a TrT routine.

**********Just Don't Care**********
Just went to watch Pirates of the Caribbean. During the initial storytelling I had to force myself to watch. I usually feel a strong "care" to the person I am cheering for in a movie. I did not connect at all with Sparrow and I am a huge fan of the character. I just did not care

After I walked to Wan Chai to see what leg was prancing around. I just did not care. Held my head in the air and walked like a zombie.



Well that is enough. Just what I find about Tren and its bad side. Personally I suggest everyone to take the time and learn a lot about what you are getting into with Tren. My personal thought....

Tren gains are more than you can dream, especially if below genetic potential. Tren sides will place decisions you have to make that translate to Family or Tren.

[kelkel]

I believe that most steroids do not exist in the same zipcode as Tren.

Great line above. Interesting rant chicago!

[Obs]

Not a question or answer but a comment.

What I notice about tren that impact sides.

I believe Estrogen should be as low as you can go without bottoming out so Aromasin when Bulking. Adex is a powerful force but a different type of AI. For low dose test I see the best results with Aromasin.

ED injections should be the norm. I notice the difference in 150 EOD and 75 ED even when using Tren E lessen the sides you cannot escape (cardio hit) Keep your level in body a close to constant as possible. This is why most people see sides flare worst during the first few weeks. Climbing the ladder up is hard.

Respect the sweat. If you are not sweating it can indicate your body "wants" carbs. Why does it want carbs? I believe that most steroids do not exist in the same zipcode as Tren. Tren wants energy to use for building muscle and obliterating fat. This requires energy. Cutting or Bulking must respect daily needs of carbs or you are wasting the substances second most powerful trait.

Carb cycling on Tren. I know I am not a professional body builder and I never will be. I know I am not a nutritionist and never will be. I am smart enough to know that you either cut or bulk. Anything else is someone learning a lesson that they are not as smart as they think they are. As a regular Joe lifting weights on AAS trying to carb cycle while under genetic potential....waste of time. You will get results and you will say wow this is incredible....but you leave the cycle with 2-3 lbs of muscle you could of had. Dumb in my book. I will give an example just ran between to lifters on Tren 500/wk at a very reputable gym here in HK. I babysat the workouts and their nutrition. Lifter A did a full bulk with full meals 7 days a week. Lifter B did a full bulk with carb cycling 3 days a week. Each lifter did hypertrophy to exhaustion exercises for their workouts 4 days a week. Neither lifter did legs to avoid possible injuries due to squat racks do not exist in the gym and the lifters refused to participate on Smith Machine or Leg Press with the injury possibility. The numbers from bodyfat % at the end had each lifter losing the exact same amount of fat (Both started approx 20 percent). Lifter A gained 35% more LBM than Lifter B. 35% is too insane to ignore. EAT when BULKING when under genetic potential.

I can only say a few things about aggression. First, only happens on days I do not lift. Second, lack of carbs magnifies the side for me. Third, if tren dose fluctuates due to missing a pin it either severely triggers aggression or (I am a Tramadol user) it magnifies the peaceful feelings from the Tramadol and I m the nicest person ever.

Now for the parts that no one talks about. The parts that impact my life and lovedones the most.

********** LETHARGY*********
Tren makes you want to sleep. Bro science all you want to as why but it turns me into sleep every second I can. It is not that I am super tired especially on second in a row rest day. It is Tren impacts you mentally in this way. Which leads to the second item...

**********Think response and attention deficit**********
Tren makes you dumb (And makes you want to kill people that remind you you are dumb) You cannot think on subjects completely because you go from a thought into a floating mindlessness and then when you snap out of it you are like..wth that never happened before. It is real and it is Tren. Yo notice it the most after a workout and you are sitting eating your glucose recharge food stuffs. Zombie. I am sure it has been said before but it is really noticeable even on a 50ml/wk dose in a TrT routine.

**********Just Don't Care**********
Just went to watch Pirates of the Caribbean. During the initial storytelling I had to force myself to watch. I usually feel a strong "care" to the person I am cheering for in a movie. I did not connect at all with Sparrow and I am a huge fan of the character. I just did not care

After I walked to Wan Chai to see what leg was prancing around. I just did not care. Held my head in the air and walked like a zombie.



Well that is enough. Just what I find about Tren and its bad side. Personally I suggest everyone to take the time and learn a lot about what you are getting into with Tren. My personal thought....

Tren gains are more than you can dream, especially if below genetic potential. Tren sides will place decisions you have to make that translate to Family or Tren.

I agree on the attention issue. I cant even argue except to yell "BE QUIET".
Also though tram makes me the incredible hulk. Once in a great moon I would eat 7-10 at once. I could fall asleep while tearing someones head off.

[Obs]

I agree on the attention issue. I cant even argue except to yell "BE QUIET".
Also though tram makes me the incredible hulk. Once in a great moon I would eat 7-10 at once. I could fall asleep while tearing someones head off.

Well shit, I get the same lethargy too. Walk through a brick wall if I want but no way I am walking all the way over to that wall.

[PT1982]

I don't know if its the same for everyone else, but if a use tren a daily, my sides are notably easier to deal with. Some sides don't even exist when I pin daily. If I do pin EOD, I sometimes feel it isn't even worth using. With tren E I've had good experiences with few sides, and I've had it with horrible sides. So I don't use E anymore because of that. Well, sometimes I'll use 100mgs of E weekly alongside my trt.

[hollywoodundead2016]

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[Bio-Active]

sounds like the best way to run tren is using ace instead of enth and injected daily. run caber with it to control prolactin. how on earth did u handle enanthate? that shit turned me into the devil himself.

I run enanthate with no sides at all besides good ones at 600 ew. I don't have to take prami or caber either I just manage my estrogen. We are all different and react different. I'm lucky I guess

[Ashop]

I run enanthate with no sides at all besides good ones at 600 ew. I don't have to take prami or caber either I just manage my estrogen. We are all different and react different. I'm lucky I guess

You said it best,,,we do all vary greatly. None of the TREN 's effect me negatively UNLESS I get crazy with the dosages.

[KINGKONG]

Tren no matter what dose increases irritability and anxiety and insomnia is always there..gets much worse over 300 mg a wk..thaf being said, the gains in strength and clean muscle mass cannot be compared to anything else I've ever injected and the ability to burn body fat and retain lbm is incredible ..the sides are what keeps me away, lately I've been thinking about running tren no ester at high doses right away in the morning so the sides wear off when Iam trying to sleep..like everyone has said sides vary from person to person some people are more susceptible to anxiety or insomnia or high blood pressure..

[hollywoodundead2016]

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[hollywoodundead2016]

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[charger69]

I don't know if its the same for everyone else, but if a use tren a daily, my sides are notably easier to deal with. Some sides don't even exist when I pin daily. If I do pin EOD, I sometimes feel it isn't even worth using. With tren E I've had good experiences with few sides, and I've had it with horrible sides. So I don't use E anymore because of that. Well, sometimes I'll use 100mgs of E weekly alongside my trt.

I agree. No noticeable sides when pinning daily. Even tren E i was pinning daily and no noticeable sides. That is the best way to minimize the sides. I even see that it allows me to control myself when people come aggressive to me..... Or maybe its just my age. Lol

[hammerheart]

Honestly guys if I was getting such severe sides from a compound I would stay well away from it.


I've never run cycle doses but felt wonders from 150mg pw Tren A. No unwanted sides other than HDL down to 30.

It boosted mood, confidence, libido, even reduced anxiety, better sleep, made me aggressive but in a balanced way.

That, as long as I have enough estrogen circulating, or hell breaks loose.

Right now I'm running 200mg (100mg 2x w) Tren E and I'm not feeling much from it.


As of lethargy, Tren makes me feel rather hyperthyroid in the start, but this evens out in day. My opinion is that it affects thyroid binding proteins so that an high is reached initially followed by slight hypothyroidism.


Mindlessness? Tren is a progestin. Endogenous P4 (progesterone) has anti-cholinergic activity. That means it antagonizes acetylcholine to some extent in the nervous system. ACh is your friendly neurotransmitter associated with reason, logic, and memory. When such antagonism is present, the system will try to balance it by compensation mechanisms. But, if dosage of the compound if too high, the system might fail in the attempt.


Sides are most of the time dose dependent, if you feel overrun by Tren, you are either pinning too much or you should avoid it.

[kelkel]

I've never run cycle doses but felt wonders from 150mg pw Tren A. No unwanted sides other than HDL down to 30.

The over-whelming majority of people should never need over that amount. Simply uneccessary unless a contest is pending.

[Sh0tsf1red]

I don't know if its the same for everyone else, but if a use tren a daily, my sides are notably easier to deal with. Some sides don't even exist when I pin daily. If I do pin EOD, I sometimes feel it isn't even worth using. With tren E I've had good experiences with few sides, and I've had it with horrible sides. So I don't use E anymore because of that. Well, sometimes I'll use 100mgs of E weekly alongside my trt.

I run tren ace EOD with an increase to my TRT dose and seemed to have found a nice sweet spot personally. I think being on TRT makes a huge difference in how you experience sides with tren and other compounds in general. Honestly one of the only benefits of being told your balls don't work right, I was 28 when I was diagnosed as needing TRT.

Bottom line: everyone responds differently to different compounds and posts like this (and general research) should be taken with a grain of salt. I've said it a million times, most people would say my cycle dosages are a waste of time because I run so low but my strength, size, endurance and physique changes would beg to differ.

[MToption2]

The over-whelming majority of people should never need over that amount. Simply uneccessary unless a contest is pending.

pw = per week

[hammerheart]

The over-whelming majority of people should never need over that amount. Simply uneccessary unless a contest is pending.

Not commenting about ppl competing, I don't know anything about that, but I just don't understand why amateur users would withstand nasty sides (even psych) from high dosages.


BTW, to anyone here that has done both A and E, how much of the latter would compare in feeling to 100-150 mg of A?

I'm four weeks in 200mg Tren E and not feeling anywhere like 100mg A. Maybe just grossly underdosed? It's so weak I won't be surprised if I'm doing deca and not Tren. I've been rather unlucky with gear lately.

[kelkel]

pw = per week

Yes. I'm stating that most guys simply don't ever need over that amount of Tren -A per week.

[PT1982]

Not commenting about ppl competing, I don't know anything about that, but I just don't understand why amateur users would withstand nasty sides (even psych) from high dosages.


BTW, to anyone here that has done both A and E, how much of the latter would compare in feeling to 100-150 mg of A?

I'm four weeks in 200mg Tren E and not feeling anywhere like 100mg A. Maybe just grossly underdosed? It's so weak I won't be surprised if I'm doing deca and not Tren. I've been rather unlucky with gear lately.

You should get comparable sides like with tren A eventually. But then again, I've ran E before with no terrible sides. I like the 200mg dose weekly you're using because many people don't understand that its 5x as anabolic and androgenic as test. That equates to a gram of test! Of course results is going to be vastly different, but the body will register it the same. I've ran absolute ridiculous amounts of tren. Doses so high that I'd be ashamed to openly admit. And I can get similar results at a fraction of what I've ran. I love running it at 25-37.5mgs daily. I rarely use it anymore, but that's about the dose I'll use these days. I do enjoy 100mgs weekly as a trt add on though. You'll just want to stay on top of bloodwork! I don't think I'll ever use it over 50mgs daily again. I feel there is just no need.

[Jphunter]

Tren no matter what dose increases irritability and anxiety and insomnia is always there..gets much worse over 300 mg a wk..thaf being said, the gains in strength and clean muscle mass cannot be compared to anything else I've ever injected and the ability to burn body fat and retain lbm is incredible ..the sides are what keeps me away, lately I've been thinking about running tren no ester at high doses right away in the morning so the sides wear off when Iam trying to sleep..like everyone has said sides vary from person to person some people are more susceptible to anxiety or insomnia or high blood pressure..

Insomnia alone is enough to keep me away , I don't sleep great as it is . Can't say I'm not curious though , sounds incredible !

[KINGKONG]

Insomnia alone is enough to keep me away , I don't sleep great as it is . Can't say I'm not curious though , sounds incredible !

I guess with some it doesn't cause it?ime everyone I've ever known personally has experienced some kinds of sleeping problems with tren of course they were all taking high doses..it is an incredible compound, it's a hard compound to match....i miss the look and the strength tren gives me so much I almost want to deal with the sides..almost

[hammerheart]

You should get comparable sides like with tren A eventually. But then again, I've ran E before with no terrible sides. I like the 200mg dose weekly you're using because many people don't understand that its 5x as anabolic and androgenic as test. That equates to a gram of test! Of course results is going to be vastly different, but the body will register it the same. I've ran absolute ridiculous amounts of tren. Doses so high that I'd be ashamed to openly admit. And I can get similar results at a fraction of what I've ran. I love running it at 25-37.5mgs daily. I rarely use it anymore, but that's about the dose I'll use these days. I do enjoy 100mgs weekly as a trt add on though. You'll just want to stay on top of bloodwork! I don't think I'll ever use it over 50mgs daily again. I feel there is just no need.

That was my actual goal, as an augment while on low end TRT. But, I'm already using more than planned and was expecting the same sides (especially, heat, I like that) I had from 100mg A. I'll try another brand...

[OG_Hoagie]

BTW, to anyone here that has done both A and E, how much of the latter would compare in feeling to 100-150 mg of A?

I'm four weeks in 200mg Tren E and not feeling anywhere like 100mg A.

Funny you mention that.. I've always used ace daily. Anything over 90-100mg per day and I'd have intense night sweats, anxiety during the the day, lethargy. Now running tren enanth, from same supplier.. worked up from 300mg/wk (split 2 pins/wk) to 600mg currently. Minimal side so far, have had a night of heavy sweat but not consistently as w/ ace.

I'm only into wk 3 so maybe I'm in for some hellish sides to come, but so far so good.

[Obs]

I guess with some it doesn't cause it?ime everyone I've ever known personally has experienced some kinds of sleeping problems with tren of course they were all taking high doses..it is an incredible compound, it's a hard compound to match....i miss the look and the strength tren gives me so much I almost want to deal with the sides..almost

I will before too long run it again. The insomnia at night and lethargy were a pain for me but its still worth it. I have goals dammit, I cant be pussing out because I feel a little bad sometimes.

[PT1982]

That was my actual goal, as an augment while on low end TRT. But, I'm already using more than planned and was expecting the same sides (especially, heat, I like that) I had from 100mg A. I'll try another brand...

I do brew a custom blend of 100/100 test e/tren e and pin it as I would my basic trt. I get 0 sides at all. No need of an AI, but I do use prami. The prami is only used to have a little fun though

[KINGKONG]

I will before too long run it again. The insomnia at night and lethargy were a pain for me but its still worth it. I have goals dammit, I cant be pussing out because I feel a little bad sometimes.

I know about your goals OB feroce..if that's your goal by all means, get it..I don't have enough years left or hairline or strikes with my family or lady..Iam pretty sure tren is out for me ..Iam very good at containing my irritability and anxiety but I still don't like feeling it..Iam stick with my test it is the true love of my life and when it comes to conditioning I gotta be on point with my diet..

[Obs]

I know about your goals OB feroce..if that's your goal by all means, get it..I don't have enough years left or hairline or strikes with my family or lady..Iam pretty sure tren is out for me ..Iam very good at containing my irritability and anxiety but I still don't like feeling it..Iam stick with my test it is the true love of my life and when it comes to conditioning I gotta be on point with my diet..

I understand, I have to keep myself in check 20 hours a day on it. My little voice just chants, "keep your hands to yourself" a good portion of the day.
Its good you know your limitations, if it controls you it will probably mess a guy up.

[hammerheart]

I do brew a custom blend of 100/100 test e/tren e and pin it as I would my basic trt. I get 0 sides at all. No need of an AI, but I do use prami. The prami is only used to have a little fun though

But I want them sides.

My prolactin unfortunately was already very high, but even if Tren raises it further, it shouldn't make a difference, so high it is.

Prami... it would be great to have it scripted. I want some fun too.

[michael30]

Op I am not trying to be disrespectful. But I disagree with your statement about keeping estrogen as low as possible without hitting rock bottom. Personally I feel this train of thought is outdated. For people that would like to research what I'm saying. Please google Dr Eric Serrano "estrogen" Dr Serrano is an expert in this field and is a mentor to ifbb pro john meadows. He talks about in this video if your estrogen is to low you cannot get lean(or as lean) and where he likes to keep average estrogen levels. unfortunately I can't remember his name but if you want to research more google Dr michael Scally and his mentor. (Most know who Dr Scally is) his mentor wrote a very large article just about estrogen. Which changed the way I personally view estrogen. Now before all the newbies start posting like crazy I am not saying estrogen should be sky high. I am just saying I personally believe we as bodybuilders have been keeping our estrogen levels to low for extended periods of time. Which does have a negative impact on our gains and on us cutting( not to mention our health and longevity). The only way to know if you should be using an ai or at what dose, is with blood work.

[hammerheart]

Op I am not trying to be disrespectful. But I disagree with your statement about keeping estrogen as low as possible without hitting rock bottom. Recently this train of thought is being thrown out the window. For people that would like to research what I'm saying. Please google Dr Eric Serrano "estrogen" Dr Serrano is an expert in this field and is a mentor to ifbb pro john meadows. He talks about in this video if your estrogen is to low you cannot get lean(or as lean) and where he likes to keep average estrogen levels. unfortunately I can't remember his name but if you want to research more google Dr michael Scally and his mentor. (Most know who Dr Scally is) his mentor wrote a very large article just about estrogen. Which changed the way I personally view estrogen. Now before all the newbies start posting like crazy I am not saying estrogen should be sky high. I am just saying I personally believe we as bodybuilders have been keeping our estrogen levels to low for extended periods of time. Which does have a negative impact on our gains and on us cutting( not to mention our health and longevity). The only way to know if you should be using an ai or at what dose, is with blood work.

I believe that's what he wanted to state, as low as possible yet enough to function normally, but this is probably best achieved without AI, and via mid range Test levels instead.

Tren is hard enough on HDL and AI can only impact it further.

[michael30]

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[michael30]

I believe that's what he wanted to state, as low as possible yet enough to function normally, but this is probably best achieved without AI, and via mid range Test levels instead.

Tren is hard enough on HDL and AI can only impact it further.

Agreed, I don't think he necessarily ment it the way he wrote it. I just wanted to clarify for the newer guys. Because I myself when I started 10yrs ago thought the lower my estrogen levels the better. Which is not the case. In the video I mentioned with Dr Eric Serrano he states if his clients are around 70 estrogen level wise they are fine. Which is the high end cut off.

[Chicagotarsier]

A few more points. Just off Tren 500mg/week

Sides started popping up on the way down after last pin. The worst one was sour stomach / LBM. Nothing prevented vomiting for me. During cycle LoSec (Prilosec) was a beast against it. Catching it early prevented the LBM from becoming bad. On the way down nothing worked. 8-days of sour....not keeping anything down.

8-days off magic. At this point the Lo Sec started working as advertised. Sour gone and LBM corrected.

12-days after last pin muscles still hard as rock from nitrogen retention.

14-days after last pin nitrogen retention finally releasing. Shoulders relaxing.

16-days after last pin all that is left is ribcage cramps. Feel exceptionally good. I know there is still Tren working but low dose. Took Aromasin and threw my TrT shot in.

Another note.. on the way down sweating was super profuse. In air conditioning standing at bank counter and i leave a puddle of water. Drinking up to 5L a day but once the stomach issues started it did not matter how much water. Body wanted carbs and it got none. Was not pretty until stomach cleared

[Strongblood]

I agree on the attention issue. I cant even argue except to yell "BE QUIET". Also though tram makes me the incredible hulk. Once in a great moon I would eat 7-10 at once. I could fall asleep while tearing someones head off.

Be very careful with Tramadol. I lot of people don't realize it. But Tram is a very very dangerous substance when taken just a little over normal dosage. They are hell on the nervous system. Anything over 5 pills can send you into grand mal seizures, that you might not recover from. I lost one friend because of Tramadol and almost another. I don't touch the stuff.

[hammerheart]

A few more points. Just off Tren 500mg/week

Sides started popping up on the way down after last pin. The worst one was sour stomach / LBM. Nothing prevented vomiting for me. During cycle LoSec (Prilosec) was a beast against it. Catching it early prevented the LBM from becoming bad. On the way down nothing worked. 8-days of sour....not keeping anything down.

8-days off magic. At this point the Lo Sec started working as advertised. Sour gone and LBM corrected.

12-days after last pin muscles still hard as rock from nitrogen retention.

14-days after last pin nitrogen retention finally releasing. Shoulders relaxing.

16-days after last pin all that is left is ribcage cramps. Feel exceptionally good. I know there is still Tren working but low dose. Took Aromasin and threw my TrT shot in.

Another note.. on the way down sweating was super profuse. In air conditioning standing at bank counter and i leave a puddle of water. Drinking up to 5L a day but once the stomach issues started it did not matter how much water. Body wanted carbs and it got none. Was not pretty until stomach cleared

I'm not feeling much from being five weeks into tren-e but I do notice the carb thing, I would get irritable if I don't get enough carbs.

[tarmyg]

For me, being a CrossFit athlete, using Tren was insane. I ran it at 100mg/wk, and my Cardio was, literally, non-existant. On top of that, I got emotionally detached and acted like a general douchebag. Tren does not agree with me, but I learned my lesson and luckily have a very forgiving wife, so I will not use it again.

[Obs]

Be very careful with Tramadol. I lot of people don't realize it. But Tram is a very very dangerous substance when taken just a little over normal dosage. They are hell on the nervous system. Anything over 5 pills can send you into grand mal seizures, that you might not recover from. I lost one friend because of Tramadol and almost another. I don't touch the stuff.

Without a doubt. My brother has seizures and I have tried to get it through his thick skull it is tramadol.

[hammerheart]

Just had some basic bw results after five weeks on 200mg pw Tren -E plus 100mg Test-E.

Thyroid is unaffected.

Prolactin is untouched too, though still high like it was before at 55 ng/ml.

Red blood count is down by 0.5 and hemoglobin by 0.8, comparing to 200mg test. Tren does nothing to my blood.

Should have pulled a lot more, but I plan to do at a later date. Might show this "clean" bw to an endo attempt to get a DA prescribed.