NPP and lethargy/fatigue

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05-31-2017, 05:40 PM
TRA

NPP and lethargy/fatigue

I just finished up a run with NPP/test and have to say it was just not a fun run. Granted I had several issues detracting from the cycle with a pretty horrific knee issue and some personal stuff, most/all of which is now sorted, but I experienced pretty decent fatigue after about 2-3 wks in that just never went away. I started having difficulty getting all my kcals in after wk 3 because I felt full all of the time. Never experienced that before with test or deca, usually can't control my appetite. Seemed to progress a bit and final speed bump of some food poisoning for a couple of days last weekend and trying to recoup from that has me down 13 lbs in 5 days because I just can't eat. Got to where I couldn't even stomach water based protein shakes.

Workouts were lackluster and I would say I had about 4 killer ones in 9 wks, today being one of those on a day least expected. Gains not much in strength dept, see some gains slightly in muscle shape/growth but nothing I would consider worthy of the NPP 400/test 500 run.

I don't think I will do NPP again and just wonder if anyone else has had anything similar. I am thinking I just don't respond well to it.

I did a qualitative test on it and it was NPP per labmax test kit.
05-31-2017, 06:10 PM
Marcus G

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Originally Posted by TrailRunAZ

I just finished up a run with NPP/test and have to say it was just not a fun run. Granted I had several issues detracting from the cycle with a pretty horrific knee issue and some personal stuff, most/all of which is now sorted, but I experienced pretty decent fatigue after about 2-3 wks in that just never went away. I started having difficulty getting all my kcals in after wk 3 because I felt full all of the time. Never experienced that before with test or deca, usually can't control my appetite. Seemed to progress a bit and final speed bump of some food poisoning for a couple of days last weekend and trying to recoup from that has me down 13 lbs in 5 days because I just can't eat. Got to where I couldn't even stomach water based protein shakes.

Workouts were lackluster and I would say I had about 4 killer ones in 9 wks, today being one of those on a day least expected. Gains not much in strength dept, see some gains slightly in muscle shape/growth but nothing I would consider worthy of the NPP 400/test 500 run.

I don't think I will do NPP again and just wonder if anyone else has had anything similar. I am thinking I just don't respond well to it.

I did a qualitative test on it and it was NPP per labmax test kit.

Did you take an AI it sounds like elevated e2?
05-31-2017, 06:37 PM
TRA

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Originally Posted by Marcus G

Did you take an AI it sounds like elevated e2?

Yes, monitored e2 and used adex. Sensitive assay showed it a little low and adjusted. Also used caber though prolactin remained stable.
05-31-2017, 06:40 PM
hammerheart

Pulled any thyroid lab?
05-31-2017, 06:48 PM
hollywoodundead2016

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05-31-2017, 07:06 PM
TRA

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Originally Posted by bizzarro

Pulled any thyroid lab?

Thyroid showed only subclinical decrease in T4, but I have had that consistently without symptoms. I can't supplement any T3/T4 or combo or I get significant heart palpitations, but everything on my labs was within reasonable range and nothing to account for symptoms, so I related it to NPP.
05-31-2017, 07:08 PM
TRA

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Originally Posted by hollywoodundead2016

could be high rbc count as well

Interestingly, my Hb/Hct has remained stable. Discussed this in thread when I posted my labs at 6 wks. I used to have to get phlebotomy every 8 wks to keep Hct below 50. Last phlebotomy put me in anemic range and since then I have only remained in normal, with high test/NPP and TRT only, so that is a bit of a concern but not anemic so don't see normal labs as a source for symptoms.
06-01-2017, 03:08 AM
Chicagotarsier

Possibly Low Iron/ micronutrients for the HCT not elevating again.

400/500 is not an overpowering cycle but even with your sickness and hurdles you should have maintained 2-4 lbs lean mass?
06-01-2017, 05:26 AM
hammerheart

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Originally Posted by TrailRunAZ

Yes, monitored e2 and used adex. Sensitive assay showed it a little low and adjusted. Also used caber though prolactin remained stable.

Maybe it was from the caber? I had bad lethargy in the start on caber.