How detrimental is low e2 towards gains?

**hxt** · 06-16-2017, 10:56 AM

On test e 500 mg a week and adex .5 mg EOD. My libido is crashed. And feeling super lethargic, dry and stiff. The strength is still there and im liking the dry look i have. Im wondering does low e2 cause muscle mass to decrease? Does it cause muscle wasting or simply make id difficult to add more mass?

**TRA** · 06-16-2017, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by hxt

On test e 500 mg a week and adex .5 mg EOD. My libido is crashed. And feeling super lethargic, dry and stiff. The strength is still there and im liking the dry look i have. Im wondering does low e2 cause muscle mass to decrease? Does it cause muscle wasting or simply make id difficult to add more mass?

Personally I hate low e2. I feel bad, really bad...joint pains, lethargic, ED, moody, tired. Staying there has risk factors for osteoporosis, etc. Have you adjusted your adex and/or pulled labs?

**PT1982** · 06-16-2017, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by TrailRunAZ

Personally I hate low e2. I feel bad, really bad...joint pains, lethargic, ED, moody, tired. Staying there has risk factors for osteoporosis, etc. Have you adjusted your adex and/or pulled labs?

Me too. I prefer it slightly elevated. I'm seeing this dose being used across the board and I scratch my head everytime thinking that maybe something has changed. I've always been told, and recommend .25mgs eod to start and then adjust from there. I'm not saying that .5mg is too high, but it is for most. And only bloodwork would verify the need for such a dose. A half a milligram isn't a small dose, and I see it every day. As far as low E2 hindering progress, I would say there would be some hindrance. Even if it were the lethargy not allowing one to give 100% in the gym.

**Marcus G** · 06-16-2017, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by hxt

On test e 500 mg a week and adex .5 mg EOD. My libido is crashed. And feeling super lethargic, dry and stiff. The strength is still there and im liking the dry look i have. Im wondering does low e2 cause muscle mass to decrease? Does it cause muscle wasting or simply make id difficult to add more mass?

Estrogen is anabolic and has its place in building muscle. Saying that you should get bloods to clarify what's going on (as mentioned above).

**Octaneforce** · 06-17-2017, 05:18 AM

Everyones AI dose is going to be different. Do some bloodwork i prefer aromasin over adex it seems to be more manageable. I do 25mg aromasin once a day (which probably isnt enough) and 10mg nolva daily to prevent gyno because id rather have my estro just a little itttttty bit high. Lol. Bloodwork is key ma man!

**Couchlock** · 06-17-2017, 10:45 AM

Extremely detrimental
As well,as being anabolic , as mentioned above, low e2 will,make you unmotivated in the gym, and cause you to not make a gains as you should from lack of intensity alone.

Through in the lack of its anabolic synergy with test it compounds the issue 10 fold

**vodkalol** · 06-18-2017, 09:46 AM

Originally Posted by Marcus G

Estrogen is anabolic and has its place in building muscle. Saying that you should get bloods to clarify what's going on (as mentioned above).

If estrogen is anabolic then i'am gonna stop shooting test and and shooting estrogen directly.

Estrogen is not anabolic...stupid peoples words.

But your body need it to function to a limit.

A tiny amount.

0,5 mg is perfect for most people from my experience.

Most of us are not 10% year round from nature so we also aromatice more than lean born fuckers.

Even if they do a little diet here and there I dont give a fuck because they are lucky people with gifted genetics.

Those types are the worst on forums because they talk genetic gifted bullshit that dont work for 75% of people.

And may end up giving you a pair of tits.

Better low estrogen than tits IMO.

Just lower AI dose no problemo.

gh15 approvde

**OdinsOtherSon** · 06-18-2017, 10:04 AM

According to this article by Life Extensions and a study published by the Journal of the American Medical Association, males in the highest E2 quintile were at a 133% greater likelihood of mortality, while males in the lowest quintile were at a 317% greater likelihood of mortality. So from a health and wellness standpoint, either extreme is detrimental; however, low E2 appears to perhaps be even more so.

Estrogen Balance and Aging Men - page 1 | Life Extension

**Couchlock** · 06-18-2017, 10:59 AM

I hope that "gifted genetic bullshit" comment wasn't directed at me. If so your the stupid people. Im the furthest thing from gifted genetics there ever was

**jstone** · 06-19-2017, 10:46 PM

Originally Posted by Couchlockd

I hope that "gifted genetic bullshit" comment wasn't directed at me. If so your the stupid people. Im the furthest thing from gifted genetics there ever was

You have to realize he is a gh15 follower. Which means he is borderline retarded, and will end up the next sil. For some reason gh15 followers feal like they need to pollute other boards with there BS. There's a reason gh15 has a piss poor reputation on every board.

**songdog** · 06-20-2017, 07:56 AM

Originally Posted by vodkalol

If estrogen is anabolic then i'am gonna stop shooting test and and shooting estrogen directly.

Estrogen is not anabolic...stupid peoples words.

But your body need it to function to a limit.

A tiny amount.

0,5 mg is perfect for most people from my experience.

Most of us are not 10% year round from nature so we also aromatice more than lean born fuckers.

Even if they do a little diet here and there I dont give a fuck because they are lucky people with gifted genetics.

Those types are the worst on forums because they talk genetic gifted bullshit that dont work for 75% of people.

And may end up giving you a pair of tits.

Better low estrogen than tits IMO.

Just lower AI dose no problemo.

gh15 approvde

Once again you are wrong you need estro to grow to high and it can be dangerous cancer.I know of no one who uses more than .25 Adex on a 500mg test cycle but I am sure there are some.You need to lay off giving advice like I said before beacuse your knowledge is very limited try ping pong or something.Beacuse you are going to get someone hurt.

**PT1982** · 06-20-2017, 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by jstone

You have to realize he is a gh15 follower. Which means he is borderline retarded, and will end up the next sil. For some reason gh15 followers feal like they need to pollute other boards with there BS. There's a reason gh15 has a piss poor reputation on every board.

What's a gh15 follower?

**PT1982** · 06-20-2017, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by vodkalol

If estrogen is anabolic then i'am gonna stop shooting test and and shooting estrogen directly.

Estrogen is not anabolic...stupid peoples words.

But your body need it to function to a limit.

A tiny amount.

0,5 mg is perfect for most people from my experience.

Most of us are not 10% year round from nature so we also aromatice more than lean born fuckers.

Even if they do a little diet here and there I dont give a fuck because they are lucky people with gifted genetics.

Those types are the worst on forums because they talk genetic gifted bullshit that dont work for 75% of people.

And may end up giving you a pair of tits.

Better low estrogen than tits IMO.

Just lower AI dose no problemo.

gh15 approvde

I hope you decide to post more often. You're going to be fun!

**kelkel** · 06-20-2017, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by jstone

You have to realize he is a gh15 follower. Which means he is borderline retarded, and will end up the next sil. For some reason gh15 followers feal like they need to pollute other boards with there BS. There's a reason gh15 has a piss poor reputation on every board.

Never heard of GH15.

**PT1982** · 06-20-2017, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Never heard of GH15.

Ditto. I imagine we'll be blown away and dazzled.

**jstone** · 06-20-2017, 04:26 PM

Gh15 is an online character that is supposed to be a high level competitive bodybuilder. Thers also a gh15 board. Just google gh15 for more info.

**Capebuffalo** · 06-20-2017, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Never heard of GH15.

http://gh15biblebodybuild.blogspot.com

GH15

**PT1982** · 06-20-2017, 05:18 PM

Hahaha! Hahahahaha!!! Thanks guys. That was a much needed laugh.

**guitarzan** · 06-20-2017, 07:09 PM

Glad y'all pointed out gh15. It confirms my hopes, this diet crap is overrated! Apparently, I can eat what I want while bulking.......whew hoo

**kelkel** · 06-20-2017, 07:22 PM

Did you guys see the thread title "Questions and answers about whores" in there? OMG WTF!

**Capebuffalo** · 06-20-2017, 07:34 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Did you guys see the thread title "Questions and answers about whores" in there? OMG WTF!

I'm thinking about starting a similar thread here.

**Obs** · 06-20-2017, 10:20 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Did you guys see the thread title "Questions and answers about whores" in there? OMG WTF!

Our board is the cream of the crop. All the rest just aren't as classy as us mfer's

**almostgone** · 06-21-2017, 01:02 AM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Never heard of GH15.

You haven't missed much, IMHO, Kel.

Edit: Not bashing another board, I just never felt comfortable with the approach advocated there.

**Couchlock** · 06-21-2017, 10:28 AM

We bring the funky spunky 100

**PT1982** · 06-21-2017, 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Did you guys see the thread title "Questions and answers about whores" in there? OMG WTF!

Yes Kel! I about died. That is the most pathetic excuse for a forum that I've ever seen! Who refers to women as whores? Not slutty women, but that seems to be the general term those flakes use to reference women. Are they 15 year old Norwegians?

**Marcus G** · 06-21-2017, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by vodkalol

If estrogen is anabolic then i'am gonna stop shooting test and and shooting estrogen directly.

Estrogen is not anabolic...stupid peoples words.

But your body need it to function to a limit.

A tiny amount.

0,5 mg is perfect for most people from my experience.

Most of us are not 10% year round from nature so we also aromatice more than lean born fuckers.

Even if they do a little diet here and there I dont give a fuck because they are lucky people with gifted genetics.

Those types are the worst on forums because they talk genetic gifted bullshit that dont work for 75% of people.

And may end up giving you a pair of tits.

Better low estrogen than tits IMO.

Just lower AI dose no problemo.

gh15 approvde

I was actually going to take you seriously for a second and explain how estrogen helps strength and muscle growth but seen as though your a GH15 advocate, well that pretty much somes it up. not sure your worth my time, probably because you wouldn't understand anyway lol