Receptors are limited ... so fill them with the best

**Kai Lover** · 06-29-2017, 12:15 PM

Over the years I've taken Testosterone , Nandrolone (deca ), Methandrostenolone (dbol ), Oxandrolone(anavar ), Trenbolone . That's 5 different steroids (three injectables and two orals).

I've seen people run complicated cycles, sometimes stacking 4 or 5 steroids. The most I've ever taken together is 3 (test,deca,dbol).

Different steroids have different anabolic ratings. Since Trenbolone has the highest anabolic rating, would it not make sense to take it on its own? I mean if you take Anadrol with it, then receptors that could have been filled with Tren are gonna get filled with Adrol instead. Surely you want as much receptors filled with Tren as possible?

I'd just like to hear a few opinions on this. I'm going to do my next cycle about 2 months from now, and I'm considering keeping it simple with Tren A at 150mg EOD.

By the way when I say "take Tren on its own", I mean take it with the absolute minimum dose of Testosterone (for example 80mg - 100mg per week).

**MuscleScience** · 06-29-2017, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by Kai Lover

Over the years I've taken Testosterone , Nandrolone (deca ), Methandrostenolone (dbol ), Oxandrolone(anavar ), Trenbolone . That's 5 different steroids (three injectables and two orals).

I've seen people run complicated cycles, sometimes stacking 4 or 5 steroids. The most I've ever taken together is 3 (test,deca,dbol).

Different steroids have different anabolic ratings. Since Trenbolone has the highest anabolic rating, would it not make sense to take it on its own? I mean if you take Anadrol with it, then receptors that could have been filled with Tren are gonna get filled with Adrol instead. Surely you want as much receptors filled with Tren as possible?

I'd just like to hear a few opinions on this. I'm going to do my next cycle about 2 months from now, and I'm considering keeping it simple with Tren A at 150mg EOD.

By the way when I say "take Tren on its own", I mean take it with the absolute minimum dose of Testosterone (for example 80mg - 100mg per week).

I've been preaching against stacking for awhile now. Stacking steroids with varying degrees of binding affinity for the AR receptor effectively limits the function of the steroid that has less affinity for binding. It basically wastes that compound. SERMs for example, out compete estrogen for the estrogen receptor and thus block its effects. That is why they are used in breast cancers and other estrogen mediated diseases.

**umittt** · 06-29-2017, 01:53 PM

Use only test and tren .

**Quester** · 06-29-2017, 05:48 PM

Good info!

**ShootingAcez** · 06-29-2017, 08:23 PM

Dbol and Adrol have a very low binding affinity to the Receptors in your body, whereas Tren has one of, if not, THE highest binding affinity, so if adrol and Tren were competing for Receptors, Tren would win every single time.

Please correct me if I'm wrong though.

**Obs** · 06-29-2017, 10:59 PM

I have really wanted a good discussion on this for a while. I was speaking with another member on here (he is very intelligent) about running stacks and if one cancels the other out. I always run nandrolone on cycle for theraputic purposes. I must say when I ran test at 750 and deca at 400 per week my joints were tip top.
Shortly after i ran test 750 deca 300 and tren 400 and I really think the deca had lost a little of it theraputic benefits but I assumed it was because of reducing the dosage.
Meanwhile I read about guys having great luck with deca for joint pain and swelling at 150mg per week.
I have never tried it but I intend on running deca with trt at that dosage and see if I have any luck.

One thing I do believe is if you run tren in a stack you won't really notice any other thing in your cycle. This is one guys opinion of course.

I would love to see a documented study on this subject!

I watch guys like Feroce run out of this world stacks with more compounds than you can shake a stick at, but how much is really necessary?
Maybe They are wasting time and money and don't realize it just as I have.
My next blast is npp and low test and I am anxious to see if I get the same results. Intending on test at 250mg and npp at 700mg wk.
Please, smart guys speak up on this!

**Kai Lover** · 06-30-2017, 02:09 AM

The reason I run Testosterone so low (e.g. only 100mg per week) is because I don't want it clogging any receptors that I'd rather fill with Tren .

I don't get why some people run high testosterone with tren. Doesn't make sense to me.

**Kai Lover** · 06-30-2017, 02:59 AM

Just thinking now, I might run Winnie on its own at the end of my cycle (instead of stacking it with Tren ) to get the most effect. So before I had:

Week 1-12: Test & Tren
Week 8-12: Winnie

But I might change that to:

Week 1-8: Test & Tren
Week 8-12: Test & Winnie

Not sure if I want to run Anadrol at the beginning. If I do, I'll try to get injectable Anadrol.

**NACH3** · 06-30-2017, 05:41 AM

Originally Posted by Kai Lover

Just thinking now, I might run Winnie on its own at the end of my cycle (instead of stacking it with Tren ) to get the most effect. So before I had:

Week 1-12: Test & Tren
Week 8-12: Winnie

But I might change that to:

Week 1-8: Test & Tren
Week 8-12: Test & Winnie

Not sure if I want to run Anadrol at the beginning. If I do, I'll try to get injectable Anadrol.

Winny is a DHT shouldn't have much to worry about if you ask me... backloading it, is the way to go imho

**tbjake34** · 07-01-2017, 11:25 PM

Whoa whoA guys let's take If easy here... dbol and anadrol have a very very low binding affinity to th AT receptor.. so stacking them with test or tren will just be better. Ur absolutey insane if u think running tren or deca alone will be better then with test.. come on

**tbjake34** · 07-01-2017, 11:28 PM

AR receptor i meant to say. Oh and btw why don't u try running tren or deca solo and then run test and tren or test and deca and tell me what's better lol it's called synergy, steroids are synergistically amazing drugs when u run the right compounds together u will see waaaaaaaay better gains then one or the other alone.

**tbjake34** · 07-01-2017, 11:34 PM

I'll give an example of a stack taking advantage of synergy of steroids . Say tren gives u massive gains in strength and mass and u love it, but it kills ur appetite... so u stack it with some dbol or eq bam ur hungry as a horse and have this powerful tren in ur body so u get massive from the increased appetite and the tren. Or say u can't sleep on tren and it kills ur appetite. Hgh, eq, tren bam u can now sleep good and are hungry all the time. Or say deca gives u deca dick. Obviously u would run test with it then and no more dexa dick. Win my Drys out the joins, deca lubes them up. Stack the two and ur good. This is why guys stack gear bro. If ur smart about it u will have almost no sides and ur gains will 've incredible.

**600@50** · 07-06-2017, 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by ShootingAcez

Dbol and Adrol have a very low binding affinity to the Receptors in your body, whereas Tren has one of, if not, THE highest binding affinity, so if adrol and Tren were competing for Receptors, Tren would win every single time.

Please correct me if I'm wrong though.

Without complicating it with binding affinity and the like you have to try different compounds based on your goals and see how your body responds. I train for powerlifting and a typical cycle for a meet is test and tren for 6 to 8 weeks then add in adrol the last 4 to 6 weeks depending on timing. I start with 50 mg adrol a day then go to up in dose per day the next few weeks. I respond very well to adrol as a finisher this way. You just have to try things and see how your body responds.