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    So I'm 6 weeks into my first cycle. I'm noticing I'm getting way more sore after my workouts than I used to. I used to only get sore if I was hitting a muscle that I haven't hit in a while. Now I have muscle soreness after every workout. 2 Days ago, I did a light leg workout with low weight, high reps. Even that has my quads sore. Am I just getting more sore because I'm able to push harder? Or is something wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 50kRunner View Post
    So I'm 6 weeks into my first cycle. I'm noticing I'm getting way more sore after my workouts than I used to. I used to only get sore if I was hitting a muscle that I haven't hit in a while. Now I have muscle soreness after every workout. 2 Days ago, I did a light leg workout with low weight, high reps. Even that has my quads sore. Am I just getting more sore because I'm able to push harder? Or is something wrong?

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    Are you putting in a lot of miles running also?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 50kRunner View Post
    So I'm 6 weeks into my first cycle. I'm noticing I'm getting way more sore after my workouts than I used to. I used to only get sore if I was hitting a muscle that I haven't hit in a while. Now I have muscle soreness after every workout. 2 Days ago, I did a light leg workout with low weight, high reps. Even that has my quads sore. Am I just getting more sore because I'm able to push harder? Or is something wrong?

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    They and by they I mean studies I've read say soreness isn't attributed to a good workout..I find that completely not the case with myself ..Iam extremely sore after a really good workout and I use the soreness and how quick it sets in to gauge how good of a workout I actually got..I would guess your pushing yourself further then you have before and that's were your getting extra sore..
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    For the first time in the last 10 years, I am running less than 10 miles per week. I got an achilles injury 3 months which has kept me from running. I figured I would take advantage of the time off and focus on lifting.

    Before AAS, when I would get sore from a weight training workout, it would usually hit 2 days after the workout. Now I start feeling the soreness set in just a few hours after the workout. I generally love the feeling of being sore, but this is getting kind of ridiculous. I've got parts of my body sore every single day.

    Ever since I started running 10 years ago, my weight has always stayed somewhere between 145 and 155 pounds. This morning the scale said 171 pounds. I know a lot of it is water retention and fat, but it's still fun to see.

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    Dude running that much is bad for the heart. And also, if ur getting sore like That u need to eat more. Personally, I don't get sore at all unless I got balls out for a couple hours and then it's just mild soreness the next day. When ur on aas ur soreness shouldn't be minimal if ur eating and sleeping properly

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    Quote Originally Posted by tbjake34 View Post
    Dude running that much is bad for the heart. And also, if ur getting sore like That u need to eat more. Personally, I don't get sore at all unless I got balls out for a couple hours and then it's just mild soreness the next day. When ur on aas ur soreness shouldn't be minimal if ur eating and sleeping properly
    I'm curious... Are you saying running is bad for your heart while on AAS, or bad in general? Before I got injured and started AAS, I was running 50+ miles per week and did a few 50 mile ultramarathon races. My heart health has been great.

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    Some doctors say running a lot in general is bad for your heart. Since it's a muscle, all that extra work is not good for it they say, maybe there's a happy medium?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 50kRunner View Post
    I'm curious... Are you saying running is bad for your heart while on AAS, or bad in general? Before I got injured and started AAS, I was running 50+ miles per week and did a few 50 mile ultramarathon races. My heart health has been great.
    I was an exercise physiologists before I do what I'm doing now. If your getting sore after every workout. That's a great indicator of over training syndrome. After a few weeks of consistent exercise soreness should be very mild if any af all. As some mentioned, one reason could be the number of miles you were putting on, another reason could be not getting enough nutrients or both.

    Running in and of itself is not bad for the heart. However there is growing amounts of scientific data that extreme endurance events maybe just as bad on the heart as being sedintary. The basic theory is that because you're exercising so much, the heart and arterial tissues are exposed to highly reactive oxygen species as a product of oxidative metabolism. This is being called Chronic oxydative Stress. I haven't really looked at that literature in a number of years since that's not my field. But it might be worth a pubmed or google search to familiarize yourself with the theory.
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    If you are getting excessively sore then you are probably overtraining. First I would back off the running and then cut back on the training for a few days if needed. Just lower the weight and intensity. Deload weeks are just as important on a cycle as when you're not.

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    Because of the achilles injury, I am not currently running. All soreness is related to lifting. It isn't crippling or anything. I just found it strange that the upper body is still getting sore every time. I've been lifting consistently for the last year, but have made it my primary focus since the injury. Do I really want to back off the weight?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 50kRunner View Post
    Because of the achilles injury, I am not currently running. All soreness is related to lifting. It isn't crippling or anything. I just found it strange that the upper body is still getting sore every time. I've been lifting consistently for the last year, but have made it my primary focus since the injury. Do I really want to back off the weight?
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    I typically like to switch up the workout a little every time so I am not doing to same routine over and over. So today my tri's a still sore from my workout 3 days ago (I would expect the soreness to be about gone tomorrow). I haven't missed a week of lifting arms for the past year, so it is not like they aren't used to getting work.

    If memory serves I did...
    3 x 10 overhead extensions
    3 x 10 skull crushers with a drop set
    15, 12, 10, 8 tricep extensions with increasing weight
    finished with some dips and extensions with the elastic band

    The only major difference in the routine is the amount of weight.

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    We had entire section on this in college. It causes scar tissue to build up in the heart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleScience View Post
    I was an exercise physiologists before I do what I'm doing now. If your getting sore after every workout. That's a great indicator of over training syndrome. After a few weeks of consistent exercise soreness should be very mild if any af all. As some mentioned, one reason could be the number of miles you were putting on, another reason could be not getting enough nutrients or both.

    Running in and of itself is not bad for the heart. However there is growing amounts of scientific data that extreme endurance events maybe just as bad on the heart as being sedintary. The basic theory is that because you're exercising so much, the heart and arterial tissues are exposed to highly reactive oxygen species as a product of oxidative metabolism. This is being called Chronic oxydative Stress. I haven't really looked at that literature in a number of years since that's not my field. But it might be worth a pubmed or google search to familiarize yourself with the theory.
    Rhabdomyolysis: Symptoms, Causes, and Treatments
    Keeping muscles in a prolonged broken down state is bad in general. Dehydration does not help either.
    Kidneys take a hard hit in overtraining.

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    My guess is that your E2 is probably crashed causing the muscle soreness. You're using twice the norm for your test amount and you're already a lean individual.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    My guess is that your E2 is probably crashed causing the muscle soreness. You're using twice the norm for your test amount and you're already a lean individual.
    What do you mean by using twice the norm for my test amount? I am using 500mg Test E per week. That is the proper amount, right? Although I haven't been able to find anything comprehensive for adjusting the dosage by body mass. It would be common sense that since I am smaller, I need a smaller dose. But I couldn't find anything to back that up.

    I also had my 5 week blood work done and my E2 went from 15 to 30. It is still in range, but I was thinking I should maybe increase my Arimidex a little. My total testosterone only went from 572 to 1314. That was disappointing to see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 50kRunner View Post
    What do you mean by using twice the norm for my test amount? I am using 500mg Test E per week. That is the proper amount, right? Although I haven't been able to find anything comprehensive for adjusting the dosage by body mass. It would be common sense that since I am smaller, I need a smaller dose. But I couldn't find anything to back that up.

    I also had my 5 week blood work done and my E2 went from 15 to 30. It is still in range, but I was thinking I should maybe increase my Arimidex a little. My total testosterone only went from 572 to 1314. That was disappointing to see.
    He means you need .25 mg eod of your arimidex .
    He was saying you need to reduce the dosage not increase it. It takes no time at all to crash estrogen levels.
    I personally can get by on .25 mg of anastrozole every three days. .5 eod is definitely high.
    AI is not just a harmless blocker. Too much can crash your estrogen and cause nearly the same symptoms as low testosterone .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obspowerstroke View Post
    He means you need .25 mg eod of your arimidex .
    He was saying you need to reduce the dosage not increase it. It takes no time at all to crash estrogen levels.
    I personally can get by on .25 mg of anastrozole every three days. .5 eod is definitely high.
    AI is not just a harmless blocker. Too much can crash your estrogen and cause nearly the same symptoms as low testosterone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    Thanks OB.
    Didn't mean to speak for you, my respect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obspowerstroke View Post
    Didn't mean to speak for you, my respect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obspowerstroke View Post
    Rhabdomyolysis: Symptoms, Causes, and Treatments
    Keeping muscles in a prolonged broken down state is bad in general. Dehydration does not help either.
    Kidneys take a hard hit in overtraining.
    That's a different mechanism that I'm talking about. Rhabdo is generally an acute reaction to massive muscle damage such as in a crush injury or acute muscle breakdown from excessive exercise.

    What I was talking about is damaged cause by large amounts of oxygen free radicals floating around that chemically damaged heart and vascular tissue. During moderate amounts of exercise both acute or chronically, the body has mechanisms to fend off these free radicals. Which are called anti-oxidants like Super oxide dismutase and catalase. Catalase is what causes hydrogen peroxide to bubble when you use it to clean a wound for example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Obspowerstroke View Post
    He means you need .25 mg eod of your arimidex .
    He was saying you need to reduce the dosage not increase it. It takes no time at all to crash estrogen levels.
    I personally can get by on .25 mg of anastrozole every three days. .5 eod is definitely high.
    AI is not just a harmless blocker. Too much can crash your estrogen and cause nearly the same symptoms as low testosterone.
    Thanks! I wasn't following. Got it now.

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    Thanks! I wasn't following. Got it now.
    No prob. Hope I am helpful

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