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07-13-2017, 12:50 AM #1
Looking for clear answers about EQ
Testosterone 's effects plateau at week 10-12 but EQ is different because it's a long ester and doesn't fully kick in until week 8-10...
So, if EQ must be run for at least 16 to 20 weeks to get the full effect then how does one avoid permanent HPTA damage/shutdown?
In my search for an answer I've seen people talk of using HCG intermittently on cycle... but what is the correct protocol for this?
Has anyone on here ran EQ for 16-20 weeks?
If so how did your PCT look?
Was it difficult to recover?
Is 16 weeks too long? Is 20 too long?
[I personally think it's a great compound, but I wouldn't want to be on HRT at the end of it so this is why I'm looking for answers now.]
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07-13-2017, 08:05 AM #2
"EQ is different because it's a long ester"
Testosterone comes in a variety of different esthers. Enanthate and Cypionate being popular LONG esthers and propionate is short (there are others these days but these are the 3 im familiar with.
I think what you are trying to say is that EQ is a slow lean bulk that takes longer than test to show you results.
Secondly. PCT for EQ and test is no different from any other cycle of test,deca ,winni or others.
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07-13-2017, 09:37 AM #3
Yea that's exactly it, but since it takes so long is permenent HPTA shutdown an issue?
As for the PCT, you stop the EQ a week before the Testosterone cyp. because ur suppose to start pct 21 days after EQ and 14 days after test, correct?
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07-13-2017, 09:51 AM #4
Most here will tell you eq sucks. Depending on your goals, there are much better compounds to stack with test
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07-13-2017, 09:56 AM #5
EQ ester is longer than Cyp or Enth so yes, you want to stop EQ about a week before Cyp or EQ. Having said that, I've not found EQ to be that beneficial in gaining size or strength. I must admit I wasn't taking the large dose needed to see those gains. I take 200mg/wk of Mast and I get tight and lean. I take 300mg/wk of EQ and very little change. If you want to gain size, I would go with Deca over EQ.
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07-13-2017, 10:23 AM #6
Many people say EQ sucks and there are a few who love it too... I'm happy with my current size. 160lb and 12.5% bf, 5'7" (if I put on more than 10lb then I won't be able to join the AF, which I want to do next year.)
My goal is to recomp, and increase cardio endurance like a mf.
I have enough EQ on hand to run it for 20 weeks at 900mg. Right now I'm on week 2 with a 600mg test cyp base. I began to become concerned when I found out that running a 20 week cycle is detrimental to HPTA recovery... now I'm concidering upping the EQ and cutting it to a 16 week cycle then stopping the Test week 17 and begin PCT on week 19....
I'm just wondering if I should include HCG mid cycle and at the end of cycle to make recovery easier? What are your thoughts on this approach?
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07-13-2017, 10:35 AM #7
The longer you are suppressed/shut down then, in theory, the harder/longer the recovery.
You should run HCG @ 250ius x 2 per week for the duration of your cycle.NO SOURCES GIVEN
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07-13-2017, 11:06 AM #8
Okay... is it really needed for the whole cycle ? My reason for asking is that I've heard of LH desensitized with prolonged use of HCG
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07-13-2017, 11:20 AM #9
Prolonged high amounts yes. Plenty of people on TRT use it permanently at 250is x 2 per week, that's a pretty low dose.
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07-13-2017, 01:33 PM #10
You're running 1500mg at a body weight of 160lbs and don't want to add more than 10lbs? Wtf
Honestly if I was you, I would have just ran high dose test. This would be a shorter cycle and likely similar gains but I still think you would gain 10lbs easy at your body weight.
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07-13-2017, 02:06 PM #11
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07-13-2017, 02:36 PM #12
You're running 1500 mgs of AAS and worried about a small amount of HCG ? Run it like BiB advised and you'll be fine.
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07-15-2017, 10:57 PM #13
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07-15-2017, 11:09 PM #14
I mean bro ... EQ is like half the strength of of test so its more like I'm running a gram of gear realistically.
Yea but, provided that I can gain and keep all 10 lb that is.
Actually for my height the requirement is up to 175 lb, so heck if I gain 15lb i'll be happy af, but the way im training and eating is targeted for a recomp. and i don't expect super drastic changes like that.
I would have ran other gear but EQ intrigued me tbh. This is my second cycle. First time was test solo with a few sarms and it was nice, but i felt like it wasn't good enough by just a little bit.
EQ gives endurance and hardness with slow gains, more what i was looking for. (Also, i was concerned about MPB, and thats an uncommon side with EQ.) Perhaps my next cycle I'll try another compound. What you you say is a good short 3rd cycle?
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07-15-2017, 11:10 PM #15
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07-15-2017, 11:13 PM #16
Hey bro, i mean, this is why I'm here.. to learn... I don't know shit so i come to the OG's of this. People like BroScientist and Sarmguy Dyllan Gemelli says more than 6 or 8 weeks of HCG is "pushing it..."
I appreciate you guy's help.
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07-18-2017, 02:42 PM #17
Dude eq kicks in around week 4.. it's a myth u need to run it for 20 wks. Ur better to run shorter cycle of it at a higher dose. I run my eq at 1000mg/wk. I love eq because it makes me hungry and I can easily increase my food intake on it, there for gaining much more muslce. I always stack it with powerful compounds like tren or deca . I definitely hate eating my meals on tren with no eq simply because I'm not hungry and that will really hinder ur gains if ur dredding every meal. If u look forward to every meal it's that much better cuz u know ur getting enough nutrients to grow.
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